[Info-vax] OpenSSL CSWS-2.2-1

[Dave Froble]

On 3/15/2019 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 3/14/19 4:38 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 3/14/2019 3:04 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 3/14/19 2:26 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or port at least the web front-end to a different platform with a more
>>>> current web server.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But, that was my point exactly.  I am being forced off of XP
>>> and (mostly) Vista.  I am not upgrading to Windows 7 or Windows
>>> 10.  I am leaving Microsoft behind. (And recommending other
>>> people do the same!!)
>>
>> So what are you going to use?  Specifically for the desktop?
>
> My every day, workhorse desktop is Ubuntu.  Been working fine since
> the machine (running Vista) died about 3 years ago.  I also have it
> on a couple of my laptops.  Have not found anything Windows did that
> these can not do and a lot of things they can do that Windows could
> not.
>
>>
>> I also do not like using WEENDOZE 7, and refuse to boot up 10.
>
> I refuse to pay any more money into the Microsoft coffers.  Just wish
> the government would adopt this idea as well and stop wasting billions
> of taxpayers dollars making them rich.
>
>>
>>> If a business is running on VMS and a major part of that business
>>> is a web server front end and they have to move that front end to
>>> a different platform where is the incentive to leave anything
>>> still on the VMS system?  I  have worked with heterogeneous systems.
>>> It ain't fun.  Especially when something goes wrong and you have to
>>> determine which platform is responsible (and I am not even talking
>>> about the politics and finger pointing at the meeting tables!!)
>>
>> What you do is design and implement the required interfaces.  Not so
>> hard.  It's even somewhat good to totally segregate some things.
>> Easier to determine where problems exist.
>
> So you add a third layer in between giving yet another item to
> point fingers at and blame.  yeah, that's gonna work.
>
>>
>> It's amusing to see the suggestions to "port".  40 years of specific
>> business logic just doesn't get re-implemented all that easily.  Or
>> cheaply.  Sort of tough to get a businessman to pay to re-implement
>> something he already has.
>>
>
> But when you are being forced off of a system by the lack of
> current, required technology what choice do you really have?

But that's not happening.

True, SSL and certificates give us fits.  But nothing much else.  And 
it's not like there is anything better available.

You present a case that doesn't exist.  VMS works for us.

Really, what might be a possible replacement?  Don't forget that 40 
years of business logic.  That is a critical part.  Other vendors have 
tried to compete.  None came close.

Some might blithely say "port elsewhere".  None seem to consider the 
cost, both monetarily, and in mistakes that are sure to occur.

We on the other hand must consider such.  We have done so.  We don't 
want to think of doing such a potentially disastrous and costly thing, 
to end up with at best, what already exists.  At best, most likely less.

Now, if you wish to actually consider the ramifications of what you 
propose, before doing the proposing, that might be wise.

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