[Info-vax] X86 first boot? - A Really Stupid Question

[Hans Bachner]

Dave Froble schrieb am 31.03.2019 um 03:16:
> On 3/30/2019 6:51 PM, Hans Bachner wrote:
>> Dave Froble schrieb am 29.03.2019 um 22:11:
>>> On 3/29/2019 1:40 PM, IanD wrote:
>>>> I thought VMS wasn't going to be supported on VMware, only virtualbox
>>>> and KVM
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Maybe things have changed or I remembered incorrectly but I don't
>>>> think VMS is going to be supported on VMware (yet Charon and vtware is
>>>> I believe)
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I understood was that VMware wasn't interested, at the time, in
>>> supporting VMS.  Things can change.
>>>
>>> But think about it.  I do believe VMware is owned by Dell.  However,
>>> everyone is talking about HPE servers for x86 VMS.  What incentive would
>>> Dell have to support a competitor?
>>
>> This would not be the case, because VSI has had Dell servers on the
>> roadmap for V9 for quite some time. Due to the delay of the porting
>> project, the server models mentioned in the beginning will probably not
>> the ones being supported for V9, but this is also true for HPE servers.
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> As for the emulators, they are NOT running on the VM, they are running
>>> on an OS that is running on the VM.
>>
>> This is true for CHARON, but not for AVTware. AVTware uses a "bare
>> metal" model [1] for their emulators, vtVAX and vtAlpha run just fine in
>> a VMware virtual machine without a full blown OS under them.
>>
>> Beyond their standard product editions, Stromasys has a bare metal
>> version of CHARON-AXP but this requires real hardware (limited to
>> selected models).
>>
>> Hans.
>>
>> [1] actually, vtServer is the (stripped down Linux) "OS" for vtVAX and
>> vtAlpha but this is not an OS instance which must be separately
>> maintained by the user.
>
> Perhaps not, but,  it is still not VMS running on the VM.  When the VM
> supports Alpha or itanic instructions, (or VAX), then you might be able
> to say VMS is running directly on the VM.

This is true, of course.

But I commented your statement:

>>> As for the emulators, they are NOT running on the VM, they are running
>>> on an OS that is running on the VM.

You were talking about the *emulators* not running on the VM - not about 
VMS.

Hans.