[Info-vax] Open source usage, Was Python and various libraries updated

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 8/10/2020 1:12 PM, gérard Calliet wrote:
> Le 10/08/2020 à 17:25, Arne Vajhøj a écrit :
>> On 8/10/2020 11:09 AM, gérard Calliet wrote:
>>> Le 10/08/2020 à 03:50, Simon Clubley a écrit :
>>>> On 2020-08-08, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> And open source could be used for some of he truly critical
>>>>> stuff. Linux is becoming very common for SCADA today. And
>>>>> they could use GNAT for software development.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That reminded me that VSI hasn't said anything recently about the
>>>> possibility of Ada support coming to x86-64 VMS.
>>
>>> Last meeting (UK users group by zoom). Bret Cameron: we have no plans 
>>> on Ada.
>>>
>>> Since 2015 I had to rebuild Gnat Ada for Itanium OpenVMS, I didn't 
>>> get any collaboration from VSI (except from individuals).
>>
>> VSI has limited resources. They have to prioritize.

> Agreed. But.
> 
> It's now for more than five years I'm only saying "help us to help you".
> Ada cannot be a priority. ok. Some invest in Ada for you. Take your 
> phone, perhaps for a very low effort something can be done and worth it 
> for all.

Maybe. But it is VSI's decision.

> It's my general opinion on interest of VSI being more fair in the Open 
> Source realm. Just do a little bit more to gain trust and help from a 
> large enthousiast (and new) community.
> 
> The times have changed - it's a pain for us thinking about the huge 
> success of internet compared to the Digital decline - and business 
> around Open Source paradigm proved it to be very good.
> 
> *If* you play the game as it is played by the majority. Is someone using 
> now MySql? No. MariaDB. Why? Oracle didn't play the game.

MySQL is still used many places.

>> People can disagree on how they prioritize, but everybody
>> should be able to agree that they have to prioritize.
>>
>> And I understand why Ada is not a priority. I believe that
>> the Ada approach to safe programming is good. But the world
>> chose a different path many years before VSI was founded.

> Have a look at how Adacore business is good and growing. And  the huge 
> role of community in their success. They play the game.

Even AdaCore has prioritized.

When I look at their CE I see: JVM version dropped in 2014, CLR version
dropped in 2015, 32 bit Linux dropped in 2015, Raspberry Pi dropped
in 2017, 32 bit Windows dropped in 2018.

Arne