[Info-vax] OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 3/9/20 2:00 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 3/9/20 2:28 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> In article <r440ff$80k$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
>>> <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> And while I'm being my regular asshat, I'm going to question whether
>>>> Phillip is actually a hobbyist user.  He uses VMS for things that 
>>>> people
>>>> purchase products, such as WEENDOZE.
>>>
>>> Yes, but only for personal, non-commercial stuff.
>>>
>>
>> That is an interesting point.  Other than the non-commercial
>> clause I don't believe anything list what can and can't be done
>> under a Hobbyist License.
> 
> Define "commercial" ....

Exactly!!

> 
>> That was the problem with the later Educational Program that
>> I talked with HP about while still working at the University.
>> It was much more detailed and while I don't know of any school
>> that actually used it, it was virtually impossible to do so
>> without violating the small print.  I can think of no school
>> legal department that would have signed off on its use.
> 
> I'd be interested in the "fine print", just to see what was objectionable.
> 
> 

First part was the requirement for a professor to be in charge
of the license and the systems.

1. Professors don't do that kind of stuff.
2. Most professors are union members and have very strict and strong
    contracts regarding their work.  The proposed  license would have
    violated most of them.
3. Professors usually don't care and would happily have signed an
    agreement and then ignored it.
4. University legal would refuse to let anyone sign the agreement.

bill