[Info-vax] [Totally OT] Covid-19, was: Re: Creating an open source version of VMS, was: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification

[Dave Froble]

On 3/14/2020 9:31 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <ca3ebcb7-d2ba-4184-b013-2f10f07c87b2 at googlegroups.com>,
> seasoned_geek <roland at logikalsolutions.com> writes:
>
>> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 2:50:04 AM UTC-5, Phillip Helbig (undress to=
>>  reply) wrote:
>>> In article <ccc9afbf-ea46-44b2-acaa-399fe1427a8e at googlegroups.com>,
>>> seasoned_geek <> writes:=20
>>>
>>>> I believe he is talking about parents who enroll their kids in
>>>> before/after school programs so they won't have to pay for daycare.=20
>>>> Most school days start after parents leave for work and end well before
>>>> they get home otherwise.  It's basically been institutionalized in
>>>> Chicago.
>>>
>>> Pay for daycare?  Right, free daycare would be socialism, and so people
>>> vote for Trump rather than Bernie.  Got it.
>>
>> No, it's a much bigger problem than that.
>
> Yes, the USA is broken.  We know that.

Since it's Phillip, maybe I shouldn't ....

Then again ....

The USA is far from perfect.  But I read the news daily, sometimes 
several times.  Just from the news, there are far worse than the USA.

Have we some bad history?  Sure who doesn't.  (You want to avoid this 
subject Phillip.)  Sometimes it goes the other way, Custer got his reward.

> In civilized countries,

You mean like those who come up with the "final solution"?

> there is free or heavily subsidized health care.

On this I will agree.  Government run clinics. Medical personnel as 
employees.  Somebody walks in the door and needs medical care, it 
happens, no questions asked.  Only records are computerized medical 
records, and available in whichever clinic is visited.  All services, 
eyes, dental, everything.  Appointments only when reasonable.  Otherwise 
no waiting.

There are those who say it's too expensive.  Show me anyone in the USA 
that needs care and doesn't get it.  No insurance.  No money.  Hospitals 
will still care for them.  So it seems we're already paying for it, and 
the huge salaries of medical insurance companies, and all the 
non-medical things they do.  We're possibly already over paying.

> There are few stay-at-home parents, not because they are out partying,
> but because both are working.  With a couple of kids, one needs to be at
> home for a few years at most---not worth giving up a career for.

My daughter stayed home and raised her children.  Home schooled her son 
and her nephew.  Had a career, but gave it up to raise the kids.  All 
the kids are doing great.

> As a
> result of both working, the standard of living is high.

Are you sure you're not paying more taxes, and need two incomes?

> People have
> children because they want them and spend a lot of time with them
> outside of working hours (which might be only 20--35 hours per week).

20-35 hours per week?  Must be nice.

> Thanks to sex education and readily available contraceptives, there are
> practically no unwanted children.
>

Not even the ones from Syria and Africa?

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