[Info-vax] What to do with my VAX.....

[Dave Froble]

On 11/12/2020 10:25 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 11/11/20 10:40 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 11/11/2020 9:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 11/11/20 8:54 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2020 6:56 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>> seasoned_geek <roland at logikalsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> ALL
>>>>>> ENCRYPTION is security by obscurity. Period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus proving nicely that you know _absolutely_ nothing about
>>>>> encryption.
>>>>> You imight want to read up on Kerckhoff's principle for starters.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that statement.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't not knowing a solution a form of obscurity?  Otherwise, if one
>>>> knows the key, then there is no security, right?  So not knowing the
>>>> key is sort of "security by obscurity"?
>>>>
>>>> There have been multiple instances in the past of codes being broken
>>>> and harmful affects because of that.  The Japanese code in WWII?
>>>>
>>>> What is a "secret key", other than "unknown data"?  Can such a key be
>>>> guessed?  Unlikely.  But possible.
>>>>
>>> Guess it depends on which part of ENCRYPTION you are talking about.
>>> The entire algorithm for the Unix Password encryption is documented
>>> and available for anyone who wants to read it.  No obscurity involved
>>> at all.  Let me know when you figure out how to reverse the encryption
>>> for any password.  Brute force doesn't count.
>>>
>>> bill
>>
>> But, it would be possible, however very unlikely, to guess?  Or is
>> that considered "brute force"?
>
> More likely that would be considered HUMINT.
>
> But if you are going to use that kind of an argument than it can be
> equally applied to everything.  VMS isn't secure because it is possible,
> no matter how unlikely, that someone can breach it.
>
> bill

Bingo!  We have a winner.  Hand him a qupie doll.


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