[Info-vax] Final Orace release on VMS.

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 11/16/20 7:44 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2020-11-16 kl. 00:37, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>> On 11/15/2020 5:56 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2020-11-15 kl. 21:50, skrev Phillip Helbig (undress to reply):
>>>> In article <rorp0g$jc$1 at panix2.panix.com>, kludge at panix.com (Scott
>>>> Dorsey) writes:
>>>>> Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig at asclothestro.multivax.de> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <i1cslrF4e2jU1 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
>>>>>> <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> Laugh if you will, but, actually, there is a business case for 
>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>> to data-center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back when DEC used that slogan, it were a very successful company.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is true, but they were also selling totally different and 
>>>>> incompatible
>>>>> systems for the desktop and the data center.  In fact, they had 
>>>>> several totally
>>>>> incompatble desktop systems competing against one another, which I 
>>>>> suspect
>>>>> is why it stopped being so successful.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were not promoting one system from desktop to data center, 
>>>>> just one
>>>>> vendor.
>>>>
>>>> Many places had VMS workstations on desktops booting as satellites from
>>>> a much larger VAX or Alpha.
>>>
>>> In *some* places, and mainly, I would say, on VMS sysadmins tables. 
>>> Might
>>> have been a few used as CAD stations, but they was quickly replaced by
>>> faster and quicker workstations from Sun, when they become available.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> VMS has never been a mainstream office desktop environment, outside of
>>> the technical area, as far as I know.
>>
>> I believe VMS back in the 80's actually were standard office desktop
>> environment some places.
>>
>> On VT320 and VT420.
> 
> Right, I expected that comming... :-) I do *not* count dumb terminals
> into what is usually known as "desptop" environments.
> 
> 

But, before the dawn of the PC that is exactly what "desktop"
computing was.  PDP-11's running RSTS (and later RSX), VAX
running VMS, Prime-50Series, even early Unix systems.  And
then there were all the CP/M systems running WordStar, CalcStar
and other desktop applications.  Even WordPerfect ran originally
on ASCII terminals.  And that was even on systems that already
had GUI's like Sun's.  And all of this doesn't even take into
account all the accounting, personnel, financials and management
applications done from office "desktops" from VT class terminals
at the time.

How jaded people in the industry have become.

bill