[Info-vax] Logging systartup_vms.com progress to operator.log VMS 7.3-2

[Simon Clubley]

On 2020-10-19, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 10/19/2020 8:31 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2020-10-16, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/16/2020 8:45 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's the whole point of a package manager so that you don't have to code
>>>> the same checks over and over again in every application you write.
>>>>
>>>> List what you need in your install script and let the package manager take
>>>> care of the details.
>>>>
>>>> And don't forget that dependency requirements can be nested, which a
>>>> package manager takes care of for you.
>>>
>>> Just to clear up my confusion, are we discussing installing software,
>>> or, starting VMS?
>>>
>>
>> They are both part of the same thing. Think about it.
>
> It hurts my brain to attempt to think about that.  The way I see things, 
> those are two very different things.
>
> Installation: loading software onto system and preparing it for 
> operations.  A one time operation.
>

It most certainly absolutely is _NOT_ a one time operation. No way.

On top of the initial installation, you have updated versions and
patches, both of which may bring along new dependencies and new versions
of existing dependencies. They may also require system level configuration
changes.

Those modified dependencies may also require upgrades in other unrelated
products.

> System startup: uh, like it reads, starting VMS.  Can happen quite often.
>

And what is one of the main purposes of the system startup ?

It's about starting those applications you just installed or updated
and starting them in the right order. The information and files provided
by the installation and updates are directly used by the system startup.

Like I said, installing software and starting VMS are part of the same thing.

Oh, and in case anyone thinks none of the above matters on VMS, I have
one thing to say:

	HP/HPE SSL

Linux and the package managers handled that a _lot_ better than VMS did.

Simon.

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