[Info-vax] Logging systartup_vms.com progress to operator.log VMS 7.3-2
Simon Clubley
clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Tue Oct 27 09:24:10 EDT 2020
On 2020-10-26, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 10/26/2020 3:39 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> OpenVMS has its startup-related entries, and so too do added apps.
>> Currently, those startup entries are hand-edited into SYSMAN STARTUP
>> both as installed from VSI and as modified by end-users, and are
>> hand-edited in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM mostly by end-users.
>
> And if they are to be put into something else, how does that happen?
> Magic hand waving? Wishful thinking? Or, perhaps you run some function
> which allows you to "by hand" make the entries?
>
You just don't get it David.
_You_ don't do anything on Linux (for example) to either install something
for startup or remove it afterwards when uninstalling the package. You tell
the package manager to install or remove the package and it does it for you.
The package managers have the ability to automatically alter the system
startup to include your newly installed package at the correct point in
the system startup. They do this by supplying the system startup with
enough information to allow it to automatically sequence the newly installed
package correctly.
What you have on Linux and elsewhere is as big an improvement over the VMS
way of doing things as (for example) the VT320 was over the ASR33. What you
are talking about simply doesn't need to happen elsewhere these days.
>> When was the last time y'all edited a system startup file on Microsoft
>> Windows or Apple macOS systems, or with Apple iPhone or iPad apps, or
>> Google Android apps, or whatever else you've recently installed apps?
>
> Every time I installed something new.
>
No you didn't. Those changes were done for you during installation (and
reverted for you automatically if you remove the package).
> I still get the impression we're not talking about the same things ..
>
How would you manage 100s or even 1000s of physical servers or VM instances
using your approach ?
Simon.
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