[Info-vax] Any stronger versions of the LMF planned ?, was: Re: LMF Licence Generator Code

[Dave Froble]

On 8/7/2021 7:40 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 8/7/2021 6:42 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 8/7/21 5:56 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2021 7:59 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>                                                       Go read some
>>>> of the stuff on LinkedIn about "Legacy Systems".  Not specifically
>>>> about VMS but the attitude is even if it still does the job if it
>>>> is old (ie. COBOL) it is bad and a problem.
>>>
>>> Being old is not a problem in itself.
>>
>> Being old is never a problem in itself.  I'm old and regularly
>> compete with people less than half my age, successfully.

Wrestling?

:-)

>>> It becomes a problem if:
>>> - it is out of support
>>
>> Lack of support for one part of an IS should not be a reason to
>> abandon it in its entirety.
>
> If that part cannot be replaced: yes it is.

Anything can be replaced.  The required effort may or may not be excessive.

> And even if that part can be replaced then the question is at what
> cost compared top the replacement. And it also raises the question
> about whether other parts will go out of support soon.

Vs the cost of doing a replacement?

>>> - it is hard to find people with skills
>>
>> That is a fixable problem.
>>
>> https://edscoop.com/college-legacy-programming-langauges-grant-bill/
>
> That is a good proposal.
>
> But do you expect serious companies to base their future on that
> such a bill get approved, that funding will continue in the future
> and that students will be interested?

Students are interested in getting jobs.

Now, the damn educators who think they know everything, maybe they 
should not have jobs.

>>> - it does not integrate with newer system that it need to
>>>    integrate with
>>
>> With the exception of Dave's system (I actually know very little
>> about VMS BASIC) I can think of no legacy system that can not be
>> integrated into a modern system.  I have had no problems doing web
>> programming with COBOL.

Basic is no different than any other language.

> Anything can be somewhat integrated using various hacks.
>
> But good integration will often be either impossible or
> expensive.

BULLSHIT !!!!

>>> - it is expensive to maintain
>>
>> In the case of legacy systems expense is more objective than
>> subjective.  A little research will show how the majority of
>> these modernization projects usually run way over budget and
>> seldom accomplish their original goal.
>
> Huge IT projects are in general risky.
>
> Migration projects are no exception.

And if it ain't broke, why fix it?


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