[Info-vax] What Will Drive More OpenVMS Adoption?

[Phillip Helbig undress to reply]

In article <sodehc$tf6$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
<davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes: 

> On 12/3/2021 10:15 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > In article <61aa18a0$0$700$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk>,
> > =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?= <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
> >
> >> On 12/3/2021 3:21 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> >>> Den 2021-12-03 kl. 08:59, skrev Phillip Helbig (undress to reply):
> >>>> In article <sochlr$v4t$1 at dont-email.me>,
> >>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
> >>>> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As far as I know, and I have not seen that change lately, Rdb is free
> >>>>> to use for development
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> or non-commercial use.
> >>>>
> >>>> No.
> >>>>
> >>>>> That includes development
> >>>>> for commercial use.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, ONLY development for commercial use.
> >>>>
> >>>> One is not allowed to use Rdb as a hobbyist, or for a non-profit entity
> >>>> (which is by definition non-commercial), or whatever.
> >>>
> >>> OK. I do not know of any good source for it (in either way), but I seam
> >>> to remember from 6-7 years ago that it was OK for "hobbyist" use.
> >>
> >> The license wording is:
> >>
> >> <quote>
> >> Oracle grants You a nonexclusive, nontransferable, limited license to
> >> internally use the Programs, subject to the restrictions stated in this
> >> Agreement, only for the purpose of developing, testing, prototyping, and
> >> demonstrating Your application and only as long as Your application has
> >> not been used for any data processing, business, commercial, or
> >> production purposes, and not for any other purpose.
> >> </quote>
> >
> > I seem to remember that "application" had been defined to be commercial.
> > Maybe my memory is wrong or maybe the wording has changed.
> >
> 
> Aren't all hobbyists working on a "commercial application" ?
> 
> They may never come up with something that sells, but they could still be 
> "working" on something.
> 
> :-)

Not sure what the smiley means.  Many, probably most or all, hobbyists 
work on hobbies.  :-)  Some might also have day jobs involving VMS, of 
course.  They can work on many things, which is fine if they are not 
commercial.  Of course, not everything which is not commercial is a 
hobby, but IIRC the Rdb license allowed only development of a commercial 
application.