[Info-vax] What Will Drive More OpenVMS Adoption?

[Phillip Helbig undress to reply]

In article <soms96$1nen$3 at gioia.aioe.org>,
helbig at asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply))
writes: 

> In article <som4dg$edu$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
> <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes: 
> 
> > On 12/6/2021 2:12 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > > On 2021-12-05, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig at asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> > >> In article <soj03a$202$2 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
> > >> <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
> > >>
> > >>>>>>> With the VSI Community License Program, members of the community can
> > >>>>>>> download OpenVMS for free for learning, open source development, and
> > >>>>>>> exchanging knowledge of the operating system on Alpha and Integrity
> > >>>>>>> systems. This program replaces the HP Hobbyist program.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The wording has changed a bit.  But it is still non-commercial.
> > >>>>>> Open-source can be non-commercial, but it can also be commercial.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Isn't there a difference between working on commercial software, such
> > >>>>> as porting to VMS, and using commercial software?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Using commercial software has nothing to do with VMS licenses.
> > >>>
> > >>> Huh ?????????????????
> > >>
> > >> ????????
> > >>
> > >> Obviously VMS is commercial and its use involves VMS licenses.  That is
> > >> not the topic here.  The question is whether the hobbyist license would
> > >> cover open-source development on VMS for commercial software and, if so,
> > >> if that would be the case only if the developer received no
> > >> compensation.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think David might be asking if you can run commercial software on
> > > a hobbyist system.
> > >
> > > For example, if you could somehow get hold of a legal copy of Word Perfect
> > > for Alpha, could you run it on a hobbyist system for personal use ?
> > >
> > > If so, that's a good question, and I don't know the answer.
> > >
> > > Simon.
> > >
> > 
> > No.  David took one look at the statement:
> > 
> > "Using commercial software has nothing to do with VMS licenses."
> > 
> > Now, if Phillip meant to refer to hobbyist or CL or ISV licenses, he should have 
> > written that.  He didn't.
> 
> The statement quoted immediately above was not written by me, merely 
> quoted by me.

Sorry, it was.  See below.  But when I wrote it, the text I quoted makes 
it clear that I was referring to the VSI community license.

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Subject: Re: What Will Drive More OpenVMS Adoption?
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:55:48 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <soin99$1ac$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
<davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes: 

> >> With the VSI Community License Program, members of the community can
> >> download OpenVMS for free for learning, open source development, and
> >> exchanging knowledge of the operating system on Alpha and Integrity
> >> systems. This program replaces the HP Hobbyist program.
> >
> > The wording has changed a bit.  But it is still non-commercial.
> > Open-source can be non-commercial, but it can also be commercial.
> 
> Isn't there a difference between working on commercial software, such
> as porting to VMS, and using commercial software? 

Using commercial software has nothing to do with VMS licenses.

AT BEST, the hobbyist license could be construed to be valid for working 
on commercial software, but without receiving any sort of financial 
reward, directly or indirectly, for doing so.