[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Dave Froble]

On 12/11/2021 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/11/21 8:19 AM, VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <sp09f5$ap3$1 at dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
>> <clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>> On 2021-12-10, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2021 1:25 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-12-10, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Case in point.  We at Consolidated Data insist that all our customers have
>>>>>> support for their commercial use VMS systems.  That is our ethics.  However,
>>>>>> should the time come when there is nobody to pay for such support, and the
>>>>>> license terminates, and VMS stops working, then I will bypass the
>>>>>> licensing to
>>>>>> keep my customer in business.  That is my ethics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even ignoring the legal issues with that (and you know my position in
>>>>> this general area :-)), do you have the knowledge needed to actually
>>>>> do this bypass ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't, where do you intend on getting this knowledge from ?
>>>>
>>>> I'll defer answering that question, for now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So are you saying you don't actually have the knowledge needed to create
>>> the patch needed to bypass the LMF ?
>>
>> No *patch* required. ;)
>>
>
> True.  There is always PAKGEN.  Not legal, but we have had enough
> people here express their lack of concern that it is obviously
> seen as a potential solution.
>
> bill
>

Either you just don't "get it", or, perhaps you just don't care.

The need for such an action would only occur if for some reason people could no 
longer use their VMS solutions.  I really don't want to see that happen.  That's 
why I won't discuss methods.  It would still be rather sub-optimal.  VMS users 
need VSI (or something similar) to continue to develop VMS, to correct errors, 
to insure security, and such.  Usage without that would not be a good thing.

But the actual issue, to me, is the harm done if all of a sudden VMS systems 
stop working, companies fail, many people lose their jobs, a real mess.  In such 
a case I for one would not care about any copyright issues.  I  would "do the 
right thing".

One can hope that never happens.  But in a world where once again the Taliban 
are chucking a girl in a pit and chucking rocks at her, I'd hoped that would 
never happen either.

Do you care Bill ???

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