[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/11/21 3:23 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/11/2021 1:40 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/11/21 11:51 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> If there were then the salaries for Cobol programmer would
>>> sky rocket.
>>
>> COBOL programmers have already been receiving 6 figure salaries.
>> the biggest reason for the lack of publicly viewable job offerings
>> has more to do with job stability than lack of jobs.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Defense Finance and Accounting Service
>>
>> Salary
>> $92,914 - $120,789 per year
>>
>> "Use Integrated Database Management System (IDMS), Common Business
>> Oriented Language (COBOL), and Job Control Language (JCL) in a
>> mainframe environment to design software for Payroll Systems used
>> by the Defense Finance and Accounting Service."
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This announcement or similar ones has been running almost constantly
>> for as long as I have been following the the business.  More than 20
>> years.
> 
> The above snippet does not say whether it is 0/5/10/20 years of
> experienced they are looking for or whether it is in New York/Boston
> /Seattle/San Francisco/Mountain View or Kansas/Arkansas
> /Missouri/Alabama they are looking

I didn't post the whole thing.  In typical government form it is
several pages long with most of it being boilerplate.  DFAS is in
Indiana (which is why I never applied for a position.)  Experience
would be evaluated from your resume.  But minimum starting salary
is still $95K.  I would be happy with that.  How much are VMS
programmers making these days?

> 
> So it is hard to say whether it is a great salary or a
> crap salary.
> 
> But it is not a sky rocket salary.

Seriously?  I just took a quick look at Java Programmers on Indeed.
Most of the jobs are for half of that.  And a lot of those were in
NYC where a 1 bedroom apartment starts at $2000 a month.


After being out of the COBOL market for 30 years I took a gig back in 
2012.  I was getting $75K.  Not bad for someone who's experience was
that far out of date. I left that job for a position as a Unix Sys
Admin for which my experience was current.  It paid about $10K less.

> 
>>> It has not.
>>
>> Most of the places that employ COBOL programmers do not make salary
>> information available.  Some take this to mean they don't pay. One
>> does not necessarily equate to the other.
> 
> Well - you just confirmed that it has not.
> 

Don't understand this one.

bill