[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 12/11/2021 7:24 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/11/21 3:23 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/11/2021 1:40 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 12/11/21 11:51 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> If there were then the salaries for Cobol programmer would
>>>> sky rocket.
>>>
>>> COBOL programmers have already been receiving 6 figure salaries.
>>> the biggest reason for the lack of publicly viewable job offerings
>>> has more to do with job stability than lack of jobs.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Defense Finance and Accounting Service
>>>
>>> Salary
>>> $92,914 - $120,789 per year
>>>
>>> "Use Integrated Database Management System (IDMS), Common Business
>>> Oriented Language (COBOL), and Job Control Language (JCL) in a
>>> mainframe environment to design software for Payroll Systems used
>>> by the Defense Finance and Accounting Service."
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> This announcement or similar ones has been running almost constantly
>>> for as long as I have been following the the business.  More than 20
>>> years.
>>
>> The above snippet does not say whether it is 0/5/10/20 years of
>> experienced they are looking for or whether it is in New York/Boston
>> /Seattle/San Francisco/Mountain View or Kansas/Arkansas
>> /Missouri/Alabama they are looking
> 
> I didn't post the whole thing.  In typical government form it is
> several pages long with most of it being boilerplate.  DFAS is in
> Indiana (which is why I never applied for a position.)  Experience
> would be evaluated from your resume.  But minimum starting salary
> is still $95K.

For Indiana and not top-10% then that is probably fine.

>                     I would be happy with that.

I suspect that you do not have a brand new astronomical mortgage
and 3 kids to put through college in a few years.

>                                                 How much are VMS
> programmers making these days?

No idea. But probably similar to developers on other platforms.

>> So it is hard to say whether it is a great salary or a
>> crap salary.
>>
>> But it is not a sky rocket salary.
> 
> Seriously?  I just took a quick look at Java Programmers on Indeed.
> Most of the jobs are for half of that.  And a lot of those were in
> NYC where a 1 bedroom apartment starts at $2000 a month.

????

Average developer salaries in the US is somewhere in the 100-110 range.

O'Reilly - 
https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-much-money-you-can-make-as-a-developer-in-2021/

Burning Glass / Dice - 
https://insights.dice.com/2020/10/13/12-programming-languages-that-pay-ultra-high-salaries/

Glass Door / Octoparse - 
https://www.octoparse.com/blog/15-highest-paying-programming-languages-in-2017

Indeed / Daxx (Python only, but be state) - 
https://www.daxx.com/blog/development-trends/python-developer-salary-usa

Code Platoon - 
https://www.codeplatoon.org/the-best-paying-and-most-in-demand-programming-languages-in-2021/

Statista / Indeed - 
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/highest-paid-programmers-by-language

There is obviously some uncertainty involved in such numbers.

But given that they all end up with very similar numbers from
different sources, then they seems very plausible.

Trying to hire a Java developer in NYC for half of 95K is a joke.

NYC salaries are significant higher than average due to high cost
of living.

Java salaries are at average or slightly above - it is a sort of meat
and potato language today - solid demand - but not super hot.

The latest and greatest tend to be a lot higher than average due to
demand exceeding supply.

Rust, Go, Scala etc..

A few years ago Ruby and Swift.

Arne