[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/14/21 12:11 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 12/14/2021 10:29 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/14/21 10:03 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2021 9:02 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/21 9:34 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/2021 3:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/13/21 1:26 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>> And it has thrived because of the value it provides - not because
>>>>>>> universities pushed it. The last 10-20 years Computer Science
>>>>>>> has pushed FP not OOP. But true FP has never really caught on
>>>>>>> in the industry. Most OOP languages got a few FP features and
>>>>>>> they are used for convenience, but not enough to be true FP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, I think OOP is going to be here a long time.  I am just
>>>>>> glad the people working where it is not a good fit have resisted
>>>>>> it.  I still do COBOL.  Mostly just for fun, but it is still
>>>>>> interesting.  You should go over to Rosetta Code and see all the
>>>>>> things COBOL does that aren't even in its wheelhouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobol was intended as a business application language but it is
>>>>> enough general purpose to that almost everything can be done
>>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.  I  have done some COBOL stuff for Rosetta Code and
>>>> it's really fun.  May do another one today.  Of course, I also
>>>> do DIBOL-11, MACRO-11, Ratfor and Basic09.  And, I am thinking
>>>> of doing some Logo (I have gotten back into Logo because my 8
>>>> year old grandson wants to learn "coding" and Logo is an ideal
>>>> language for teaching the basics to someone his age).  If there
>>>> was an available PL/I compiler I would probably do a bunch in
>>>> that, too.  The fun of being a dinosaur.
>>>
>>> Kednos had PL/I for VAX and Alpha and a hobbyist program.
>>
>> Kednos is gone as far as I know.  And they didn't just release
>> the compiler when they left.  Wonder what Dave things of that?
> 
> Tell me how much you're going to think of computers when you're dying?  
> Tom has left the building, but I've got to wonder, if he had the time 
> would he have gifted his product to the rest of us.  Dave sure would do 
> so.  That's what Dave "thinks" (not things) of that.

sic

> 
>>> Maybe you can get a kit and a license - I think it was said
>>> that even though the business is closed then a hobbyist
>>> license could still be issued.
>>
>> And, that also assumes one has a usable VMS system.  Other than my
>> VAX which is not going to be running much longer I have had very
>> little luck getting an Alpha version up as I have no hardware and
>> the emulators (at least the free ones) haven't worked well for me.
> 
> Bullshit!  At one time I offered you an Alpha.  You couldn't be bothered.

Not a matter of can't be bothered, more can't afford even free stuff
any more.  The last Alpha I had was PC sized Deskside pedestal.  It
weighed almost 100 pounds.  Sturdy is nice, but, luckily, I didn't
have to pay the shipping on that as it was a donation from HP.
See my last posting.  Very lean Christmas this year and probably
for the foreseeable future.

bill