[Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/20/21 1:44 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/20/2021 12:56 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/20/21 12:30 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> If you are providing the hardware and the software what exactly is the
>>>> advantage of putting your data in someone else's hands?
>>>
>>> They provide the
>>>
>>> building
>>> mains power
>>> generator backup
>>> ups backup
>>> fire suppression
>>> backbone network
>>> cooling
>>> security
>>> access control
>>> ...
>>
>> Still confused.
>> If you are a functioning business I would expect you already have
>> most if not all of that.
> 
>  > Well, I'll admit that "generator backup" might not make the list
>  > of things you have covered.
> 
> I don't think normal businesses have Inergen fire suppression,
> two separate electricity feeds or two separate internet
> connections either.

Do you really need that for the one DS20 that was mentioned earlier?

> 
>>                             And some of it at the bottom of the list
>> better than you are likely to have at a site not under your own
>> control.
> 
> On the contrary.
> 
> In an office people have a legitimate need to get into the building
> all the time so access control need to be practical. At a
> hosting facility visitors are way rare and they can check the
> technicians very carefully.

Is the computer going to be sitting in the middle of the lobby (like at
Cray :-)?  Or locked away in a small room where visitors wouldn't even
see it or know of its presence?  A closet would do in many cases.

> 
> In an office people tend to like windows. Computers do not care
> so a hosting facility do not need windows.  

Windows?  Afraid someone will see the computer?  Can't see in
the closet.

We keep hearing that it's about the cost.  I wonder how much real
work has been done to determine if it actually does result in a
worthwhile cost savings.  I have seen too many cases of actions
being taken "in order to save money" that result in more money
being spent and only changing who's budget that money came out
of.

bill