[Info-vax] Is C++ good in scientific computation? Why did Fortran lose its popularity?

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 1/25/2021 1:16 PM, Mark Berryman wrote:
> On 1/24/21 12:59 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 1/24/2021 11:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 1/24/21 3:09 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>> In article <rui9jd$q06$1 at panix2.panix.com>, kludge at panix.com (Scott
>>>> Dorsey) writes:
>>>>> ultr... at gmail.com <ultradwc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Very good comparison by a Former member of ISO/ANSI J3 Fortran 
>>>>>> Standards
>>>>>> Committee begs the question how C ever became the choice to do 
>>>>>> anything
>>>>
>>>> Interesting discussion, but it didn't beg the question.  It asks the
>>>> question.  Beg the question means something different.
>>>
>>> Easy answer really.  The demise  of domain specific languages happened
>>> to coincide with the rise of Unix and thus C.  C was the hammer and in
>>> the general purpose computing world every task is a nail.  Especially
>>> if you think of nails as objects.
>>
>> There was a time like the 90's where it seemed like the world
>> was converging towards C and C++.
>>
>> But no more. Today programming languages has turned
>> more diverse than ever.
>>
>> C/C++
>> JVM with Java, Scala, Kotlin, Groovy etc.
>> .NET with C#, VB.NET and F#
>> PHP
>> .
>> .
>> .
> 
> It appears that Apple has decided that PHP is unsafe.  You get the 
> following message when invoking PHP in Big Sur:
> 
> % /usr/bin/php -v
> WARNING: PHP is not recommended
> PHP is included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software.
> Future versions of macOS will not include PHP.
> PHP 7.3.24-(to be removed in future macOS) (cli) (built: Nov 23 2020 
> 06:45:16) ( NTS )
> Copyright (c) 1997-2018 The PHP Group
> Zend Engine v3.3.24, Copyright (c) 1998-2018 Zend Technologies
> 
> It makes me wonder if they will eventually also stop including Apache.

Given that macOS has dropped out of the server market,
then I don't see this as a big issue.

Developers can download and install PHP on their
mac's together with all the rest they want.

I am of course assuming that macOS builds of PHP will continue
to be available, but I consider that highly likely.

Arne