[Info-vax] Listeners in VMS Basic, was: Re: Integrity iLO Configuration?

[Dave Froble]

On 7/1/2021 10:17 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/1/2021 8:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 7/1/21 8:12 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-30, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>> On 6/30/2021 1:54 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> I know, but if VMS Basic did, it would need comparable functionality
>>>>> and syntax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on his comments so far, good luck getting David to write code
>>>>> like
>>>>> that even if VMS Basic did support it... :-)
>>>>
>>>> I can't follow you.
>>>>
>>>> If VMS Basic supported that then I am pretty sure that David
>>>> would use the features.
>>>
>>> $ set response/mode=good_natured
>>>
>>> Really Arne ?
>>>
>>> Have you _seen_ David's responses whenever I have tried to introduce
>>> him to any of those newfangled (as he sees them :-)) programming
>>> concepts and techniques from the last 20 years ? :-)
>>>
>>> For David, if it worked 30 years ago, then its good enough for today.
>>> :-)
>>
>> In too many cases, that is quite true.  Change for changes sake
>> is not an improvement.  And change to increase the ego of some
>> academic is even worse.
>
> Technology constantly makes progress.
>
> Problem is to know what provides significant benefits versus
> what is just nice to have and to know what will become long term viable
> and what will turn out to be a dead end.
>
> Arne
>
>

If something has been working successfully for 30 years, and is still 
working successfully, would that not rule out any "dead ends"?

I've looked at some "progress".  Many times I've then asked, why is all 
the bloat being used?  As an example, there are things that are piled on 
top of a socket connection, instead of just using the socket connection. 
  What do they achieve, other than slowing down the entire process? 
They are not less work for the programmer, just lots of extra code.

I sort of like Bill's "ego of some academic".

I'm not saying there cannot be better methods, I'm saying that it really 
must be better, or, it's not really progress.

TANSTAAFL ...

As for Arne's example, whatever it does, it sure is not maintainable. 
If code is not maintainable, what good is it?

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