[Info-vax] Entitled attitudes, was: Re: vax vms licenses

[Dave Froble]

On 3/14/2021 3:43 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <s2jjnp$9mu$1 at dont-email.me>, Chris Hanson
> <cmhanson at eschatologist.net> writes:
>
>> On 2/26/21 7:10 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> I seriously doubt that playing with VMS on VAX is a good way to get
>>> people interested in VMS, so that is a red herring.  Some people want to
>>> continue to run VMS on VAX as a hobby.  While I sympathize, sometimes it
>>> just isn't possible, and in my view it is way out of line to openly say
>>> it is OK to flaunt the terms of the license just because you cannot get
>>> the license you want.
>>
>> It is possible though. Very easily, in fact. You keep saying it's not,
>> but it is. It's just against the terms of the license.
>>
>> That doesn't make it illegal in most jurisdictions; it's a civil matter,
>> not a criminal one, and you'd have to be discovered and then whoever
>> owns the IP would have to actually care enough to try to pursue legal
>> remedies to
>
> That doesn't make it right.

You seem to think that "right" is some absolute concept that is agreed 
to by everyone.  In this you are wrong.  All it takes is some who don't 
agree with your concept to prove that.

>> You seem to think that how hobbyists treat VAX/VMS will affect how
>> companies decide to do things in the future. That's ridiculous. Any
>> company that uses how hobbyists treat running an operating system on
>> multi-decade-old hardware to inform their current marketing and business
>> strategies is terrible at business.
>
> Considering that representatives of VSI have said so publicly hear, i.e.
> agreeing with me and not with you, I think that you should reconsider.
>
>> Hobbyists who want to use VMS on VAX---and Alpha, and Itanum---will continue
>> to do so with or without HPE and VSI's help. And as long as they're not
>> costing VSI any commercial sales, why should VSI give a shit?
>
> Because they might fear that a new hobbyist license would be abused, and
> that would cost them something.
>

Ok, the stage is yours, please explain just what it would cost VSI if an 
entity that was never going to be a paying customer happened to run VMS. 
  I'll wait for you to think up something.  I'll have to be very patient.

This should be interesting ....

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