[Info-vax] Entitled attitudes, was: Re: vax vms licenses

[Dave Froble]

On 3/14/2021 9:18 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-03-14, chris <chris-nospam at tridac.net> wrote:
>> On 03/15/21 00:55, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2021-03-14, Dave Froble<davef at tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, the stage is yours, please explain just what it would cost VSI if an
>>>> entity that was never going to be a paying customer happened to run VMS.
>>>>    I'll wait for you to think up something.  I'll have to be very patient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a matter of trust David.
>>>
>>> I feel sorry for you that you clearly unable to understand this.
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>
>> It's a matter of personal ethics and we are all guilty of crossing
>> that line, even stealing a pencil or sheet of A4 from work.
>> I don't judge, as it's everyone's personal responsibility to decide
>> their own actions, not mine and noone really gets away with anything
>> in the end.
>>
>> However, for use of an obsolete OS that only hackers really care
>> about anymore, the transgression looks pretty minor to me...
>>
>
> The problem is that the level of entitlement someone feels they have
> when wanting to use an old OS in violation of the hobbyist terms can
> be seen as an indication of how much they can be trusted if someone
> offers something new on a hobbyist licence.
>
> Didn't this already happen once with the PDP-11 hobbyist licence
> when plans for a more generous PDP-11 hobbyist licence were scrapped
> because of similar attitudes ?
>
> Simon.
>

It's not just about trust, or hobbyist licenses.  It's about being able 
to continue doing something one cares about.

It's like telling me I cannot fly anymore.  Yeah, that'll work, for 0 
seconds.

As for trust.  It's just too bad that the mindless corporation (HP) not 
giving a damn about their customers.  They should have made it possible 
for people to continue using VAX/VMS.  Such a simple thing.  But they 
failed to do so.  Put that into your "trust meter" and tell me what it says.

I understand "trust" rather well.

For me personally, it doesn't matter.  I have commercial licenses for my 
VAXs and Alphas.  But I know how I'd feel if I could no longer use VMS 
for personal reasons.

VAX/VMS distribution is available, and if someone grabs it and figures 
out how to use it, I'm sure not going to object.  None of my business 
anyway.

Perhaps quit using that word, "entitlement", since I've never felt any 
entitlement.

All I want Phillip to do is come up with a "COST" in dollars and cents. 
He hasn't, most likely won't, he'll just keep harping on "right" and 
"legal" and such.  He won't justify the one claim he's made.  He's clueless.

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