[Info-vax] Entitled attitudes, was: Re: vax vms licenses

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 3/13/2021 7:00 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
> On 2/26/21 7:10 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>> I seriously doubt that playing with VMS on VAX is a good way to get
>> people interested in VMS, so that is a red herring.  Some people want to
>> continue to run VMS on VAX as a hobby.  While I sympathize, sometimes it
>> just isn't possible, and in my view it is way out of line to openly say
>> it is OK to flaunt the terms of the license just because you cannot get
>> the license you want.
> 
> It is possible though. Very easily, in fact. You keep saying it's not, 
> but it is. It's just against the terms of the license.
> 
> That doesn't make it illegal in most jurisdictions; it's a civil matter, 
> not a criminal one, and you'd have to be discovered and then whoever 
> owns the IP would have to actually care enough to try to pursue legal 
> remedies to

Copyright infringement is illegal in most jurisdictions.

That it may not fall under criminal code does not make it legal.

> You seem to think that how hobbyists treat VAX/VMS will affect how 
> companies decide to do things in the future. That's ridiculous.

It is an observable fact.

You may consider it ridiculous.

You may also consider it ridicolous that water runs down.

But water still runs down.

> Hobbyists who want to use VMS on VAX—and Alpha, and Itanum—will continue 
> to do so with or without HPE and VSI's help. And as long as they're not 
> costing VSI any commercial sales, why should VSI give a shit?

As already mentioned a few times "TRUST".

Arne