[Info-vax] Security, support and VMS, was: Re: A new VMS?

[Dave Froble]

On 5/5/2021 8:48 AM, Tad Winters wrote:
> On 5/5/2021 4:27 AM, Bill Gunshannon via Info-vax wrote:
>> On 5/5/21 12:06 AM, Tad Winters wrote:
>>> On 5/4/2021 9:53 AM, Bill Gunshannon via Info-vax wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/21 9:25 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>>> In article <ifcu1jFphjgU1 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
>>>>> <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/4/21 8:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VMS is not Unix or Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is good because it has functionality that neither of them have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was going to let this slide by, but it just stuck in my
>>>>>> craw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What "functionality" does VMS have that Unix and Windows don't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember, we are talking "functionality", not just doing something
>>>>>> in a different manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trivially, any Turing machine can emulate another, so they all have
>>>>> the
>>>>> same functionality.  As for usefulness, top of the list for VMS are
>>>>> logical names, clustering, fine-grained security concept, HBVS, and
>>>>> file
>>>>> versions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All of them exist in some form in Unix except file versions and I have
>>>> never known anyone other than VMS users who saw value in them. Sorry.
>>>
>>> Where I work, and they don't have VMS, someone says we're going to
>>> perform a DR test by "virtually" pulling the power on one site.  The
>>> response is, "Wait, the active nodes of the cluster are at that site.  I
>>> need to fail them over to the other side before you pull the power."
>>>
>>> "Active?"  The "other side?"  How is that a cluster?  Where's the DR in
>>> that?
>>>
>>
>> Stop blaming OSes for the incompetence of the administrators.  Oh wait,
>> we like to blame computer languages for the incompetence of programmers
>> so I guess it's OK after all.
>
> Deflection.
>

Bill is good at that ....

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