[Info-vax] Editors, was: Re: VT keyboard replacement

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In article <smef4p$9u8$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>On 11/9/2021 10:21 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 11/9/2021 9:57 AM, VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article <smbq3b$o9$1 at dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley <clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>>> On 2021-11-08, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig at asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>>>>> In article <b6c4a416-0ccf-4518-b5fa-039d8d23f88cn at googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Lawrence_D=E2=80=99Oliveiro?= <lawrencedo99 at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 6:27:48 PM UTC+13, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>>>>> It is the most efficient, not the most powerful. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As in helping you to be the most productive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> How exactly ?
>>>>
>>>> By today's standards, EDT's limited functionality makes it the
>>>> assembly language version of editors when compared to other editors
>>>> which are fully featured editors.
>>>
>>> Where is the list of *today's standards* for editors?
>>
>> "today's standard" does not imply a formal (ANSI/ISO) standard just
>> some relative vague general expectations.
>>
>> What is the general expectations from an editor today?
>>
>> I would say:
>> - GUI
>> - standard menus with at least File, Edit and Help in the menu bar
>> - at least Open, Save, Save As and Exit in the File menu
>> - at least Copy, Cut, Paste, Search and Replace in the Edit menu
>> - common shortcuts CTRL/A, CTRL/C, CTRL/X and CTRL/V
>> - ability to mark blocks with mouse
>> - certain edit function available via right click
>> - ability to have multiple files open
>> - ability to show multiple buffers simultaneously
>> - some language specific color highlighting
>> - some smart indenting
>
>In other words, WEENDOZE ...

Gack, I just vomited a bit into my mouth.  


>Perhaps my usage is too focused.  When I think of text editor, I think of
>working on programs.  Basic, Macro-32, and (hawk, spit, gag) C.  Maybe some DCL.
>
>I'm sure there can be other uses and my focus is too narrow.  But for what I
>use EDT on VMS, it is what I listed above.  Others may have different needs.
>
>> If any of that is missing then I think eyebrows will be raised.
>
>Not here.  My eyebrows are raised because we're talking about this.
>
>> Several of these are just conventions. But it is conventions that
>> ensures that you can open an editor that you have never used
>> before and do some basic editing because the basic stuff is the
>> same.
>
>Good way to make mistakes ...

When 'vi' has an updated set of these WEENDOZE "features", I may, then, consider
the need for them in EDT.

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