[Info-vax] Editors, was: Re: VT keyboard replacement

[alanfe...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 1:46:21 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-11-19, alanfe... at gmail.com <alanfe... at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:39:07 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote: 
> >> On 2021-11-17, alanfe... at gmail.com <alanfe... at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > Can your favorite editor let you define keys without compiling a huge 
> >> > section file? Can you easily look up what any given key combo does? Esp. 
> >> > when done by learn mode? Just asking. 
> >> > 
> >> I have already answered your first question (answer is yes) and posted 
> >> EVE examples for you to try. 
> > 
> > I just scanned this entire thread for your posts and do not see either of the above. 
> > Please re-post. 
> >
> From my original posting: 
> 
> You define them in your EVE initialisation file. Some examples: 
> 
> define key= gold/d wps gold-| 
> define key= gold/r wps gold-r 
> define key=gold-left shift left 16 
> define key=gold-right shift right 16

Thanks.

This posting never made it to Google Groups. Did you post it on the SET DEFAULT thread, perhaps?

> >> 
> >> Someone else has already answered your second question. I don't know if 
> >> that includes learn sequences, but I have _never_ needed to see the learn 
> >> sequence that I have just entered as I don't care about it after the end 
> >> of the current session. 
> > 
> > I couldn't find this one, either. Please post the answer. But the answer appears to be "no". 
> >
> I can't remember what they wrote, but Gold-PF2 gives a list of key 
> definitions for me.

Yep. It certainly does. Got it. I did, however, discover this on my own sometime during this barrage of posts. Sorry I didn't acknowledge it earlier. My bad.

I'm not certain, but I think you can actually do more things with EDT key definitions using the NOKEYPAD commands than you can with the above. I'd check it out, but that is definitely one of the things I wanted to avoid by not trying to switch to EVE!

Perhaps you'll tell me I can script key definitions commands and stuff. Come to think of it, that was probably what I was trying to do when I kept getting the "Compilation aborted on line 1" message again and again.

> > 
> > I'm beginning to get the impression you don't think much of EDT. (!) (~_^) 
> >
> By today's standards, no I don't. It was good by 1980s standards, 
> but not by today's standards. 

OK, I'm finally convinced you don't think much of EDT. (^_^)  Coffin nailed tight.

> 
> Even back when I switched from RSTS/E to VAX/VMS, I switched from 
> EDT to EVE within half a day of first trying EVE because EVE was 
> immediately obviously so superior to me. 
> 
> I do like the EDT keypad however and I continue to use that in EVE 
> and emacs because it's so much easier to work with than 
> Ctrl-{this, that and the other} for routine navigation tasks. 

Yes, the EDT keypad is pretty good. I was ecstatic when I finally found out how to set up a bona fide emulation of it on my Mac keyboard. I figured that, as the default EVE layout was pretty lame, and the fact that DEC gave us the SET KEYPAD EDT command was a definite clue that it was a popular bit.

> 
> Simon.
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