[Info-vax] Rust language community in chaos

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 11/25/2021 1:58 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 11/25/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2021-11-24, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 11/24/2021 1:45 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2021-11-24, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/24/2021 8:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-11-23, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>> But considering how many open source projects that has
>>>>>>> thrived for decades without even having code of conduct
>>>>>>> and a moderation team then it is not obvious to me
>>>>>>> what the "serious problem" is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the old way of doing things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the new fashionable way of doing things, you are supposed to
>>>>>> declare how your language is a socially conscious language and
>>>>>> then bring along all the CoC and moderation infrastructure to
>>>>>> support that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's exactly the kind of statement the Rust people made BTW when
>>>>>> they setup the Rust language project.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is that there are two different questions:
>>>>> 1) is the "old way" still able to produce software?
>>>>> 2) is the "new way" morally better than the "old way"?
>>>>>
>>>>> And I think the answer to question #1 is YES.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means that the risk for Rust users is minimal.
>>>>
>>>> You are making the rather naive assumption that people interested in
>>>> pushing 2) as the way forward would allow the Rust development model
>>>> to switch to the 1) old way of doing development and hence get rid of
>>>> all the new infrastructure. :-)
>>>
>>> But they are not getting rid of the new infrastructure.
>>>
>>> If you read your own links then they already appointed a couple of new
>>> members to the moderation team.
>>>
>>> Maybe a large number of Rust contributors will revolt and force the
>>> core team to accept being overseen by moderation team.
>>>
>>> But I would not hold my breath until it happens.
>>
>> Arne, you have answered a different question to the one you asked above.
>>
>> You were asking if Rust could switch to the old way of developing
>> open source software. My reply was to point out why that isn't going
>> to happen.
> 
> It is not happening because it does not seem to be what the core
> team want to do.
> 
> But that does not mean that they could not produce software if
> they went that route.
> 
> And that means that there is not really any need to be worried
> for the future of the language.

https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2021/11/25/in-response-to-the-moderation-team-resignation.html

Core team seems to stick to the course and it looks like the leads
of the other teams are on board.

So no impact on Rust.

Arne