[Info-vax] CRTL and RMS vs SSIO

[chris]

On 10/15/21 02:07, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:55:18 AM UTC+13, chris wrote:
>>
>> On 10/14/21 01:29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> There are no such things as “power grabs” in Free software.
>>
>> Perhaps, but the amount of money and effort that Red Hat (now owned
>> by IBM btw) put into Linux means they have disproportionate amount of
>> influence in the direction of the project.
>
> If you want to look at which is the single biggest company that is contributing to Linux, that would have to be
Microsoft.

Well, warning, that may eventually be the kiss of death for Linux.
What was the saying about uSoft getting involved with other
companies ?. Something about assimilate and suppress :-). Even more 
reason to avoid Linux.

>
> Which is the most popular Linux distro in the world today? Hard to tell, but it isn’t anything from Red Hat. Ubuntu most likely, and they are certainly getting very cosy with Microsoft.
>

No idea which is the most popular, but it isn't show business after
all, nor willy waving :-).

Already told you. Check out the service management facility in Solaris
10 for example. FreeBSD also has lightweight service control commands
that interface with  the underlying init framework and running
process management. Far more lightweight and less complex than systemd.
But, if that's what rocks your boat, then stick with it.

As for coding, do plenty of that as well, but more for fun these days,
so can afford to pick and choose and be more critical.

>
> That you can easily display entries in any timezone, just by setting “TZ=«timezone»” at the front of the command.
>

So what, and how is that relevant to this discussion ?.

>> Well, do occasionally rebuild kernels, but an OS is here primarily to
>> enable productive work, not spend all day configuring or debugging it.
>
> In other words, you prefer to complain rather than to take effective action about it.
>

Well, years ago, most were stuck with the hw vendors OS, but there's
a vast range of quality open source to choose from now, so yes, make
choices, just like everyone else. Working on some open source projects
here, ntp and instrument control related, but am primarily a user
of os's. That doesn't stop me from making comparisons. So, what
contribution do you make, other than trolling against VMS ?.

>
> Umm, Netgate dropped from FreeBSD? But they practically *are* FreeBSD. And which “individual”? There are a number of individuals associated with the company, who have done dubious things as reported in the article.  Which you did read the whole of, didn’t you?
>

Need some documentary evidence for that, not just arm waving. For 
example, individuals within the FreeBSD leadership and how they are
connected to Netgate financially

>
> I am told that the pfSense developers have admitted that, were they to start again today, they would use

Linux as the basis of their product, not FreeBSD. Back in the day, the 
BSDs had the high-performance,

configurable network stack that others envied, but not any more.

Good for them, even more reason to avoid them. The rest is just
hearsay.

I've seen a fair amount of embedded Linux, but none of those versions
included systemd, nor a lot of the other cruft that current distros
suffer from. Stripped down to a bare minimum for embedded work, which is
what we do here. There again, you can run FreeBSD from a memstick as
well and it is already real time ready, something Linux took
years to get together. Linux may be ok for undemanding embedded
tasks, but still a great risk to select it for hard real time work.

I stopped using pfsense a few years back. Liked it to start with,
but as it became more commercial and difficult to get a build
environment together locally, moved over to opnsense, a european
fork of pfsense. They didn't like the commercial aspects either
and neither did I...

Chris