[Info-vax] Command Procedure Pipe output to a variable

[Dave Froble]

On 9/7/2021 1:58 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-09-07, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
>>
>> My buddy Simon has completely ignored my comments on record oriented access
>> over DECnet.  I believe he speaks and types only to hear and read himself.
>>
>
> As you should well know Brian, using an insecure protocol in an insecure
> environment just because of a certain feature is utterly irresponsible
> from a security point of view.

Ayep!  It's boilerplate ...

> This isn't even appropriate any more for protocols that offer major
> unique functionality such as VMS clusters. Why do you think VSI,
> with everything else they need to do, are investing time and effort
> into adding a secure layer to the clustering protocol ?

Appropriate depends on usage, right?

> No, you should look for alternatives or find a different way to do
> things.

Why?  If the usage doesn't have downsides, then why not use it?

> That's why telnet is banned (for example) and ssh is enforced
> on many networks today.

Where outside security is required, sure.  Otherwise, Telnet works just 
fine.

> Everyone else manages to solve data sharing
> problems using secure techniques available on those other platforms.

If they need to, sure.

> If VMS doesn't have those secure options, then that's a failing in VMS.

Omission, not failing ...

> BTW, record access is a feature that is a unique VMS requirement.

Yep, we got it, and you don't.  Eat your heart out ...

> You could
> try the VMS versions of NFS which supports the storing of VMS attributes.
> However, do any of the VMS NFS implementations support the NFS 4 protocol
> with secure links ?
>
> As for file sharing in general, other people do it by using clustering
> protocols, remotely mounting filesystems or just copying the files.
> Examples include NFS, Samba, and GFS2.

Don't like them.

> Linux has also recently acquired the ability to mount filesystems over
> SSH, but you are unlikely to ever see that in VMS due to VMS's utter
> inability to support userspace filesystems.

Don't like Linux.

> Times have changed and VMS needs to keep up with those times if it
> is to remain usable in many of today's environments.

Nothing is usable everywhere.

> Telling everyone
> else to stand still so that VMS can still play is not a viable approach.

Who is telling anyone to stand still?

> One final question: If DAP would be so wonderful to the world in general,
> then why isn't there a TCP/IP version of DAP ? (WebDAV doesn't really
> count IMHO unless it's moved on recently). There's a standardised TCP/IP
> version of every other application protocol.

Perhaps some don't realize what they are missing?


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