[Info-vax] VSI strategy for OpenVMS

[Dave Froble]

On 9/13/2021 5:56 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-09-13 kl. 20:37, skrev Dave Froble:
>> On 9/13/2021 10:46 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2021-09-13 kl. 16:15, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>>> On 9/12/2021 7:17 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 9/12/2021 6:45 PM, John Dallman wrote:
>>>>>> In article <shldvp$1jl$1 at gioia.aioe.org>, arne at vajhoej.dk (Arne
>>>>>> Vajhøj)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But to me the focus should be obvious: operating systems are
>>>>>>> sold by applications - VMS needs more applications, so work
>>>>>>> should focus on getting more applications developed for and
>>>>>>> ported to VMS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but which applications? What fields of computing will give the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> return for VSI?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt, for example, that Libre Office or Firefox will be especially
>>>>>> worthwhile. Current GUI apps are likely to need more than the
>>>>>> X11/Motif
>>>>>> stack, and providing Qt looks like a big job. Databases,
>>>>>> middleware and
>>>>>> the like might well be more worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> The money is in business applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> So COTS business applications and in-house business applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those two need the same: compilers, libraries, databases, web servers,
>>>>> message queue servers, cache servers etc..
>>>>
>>>> Apropos.
>>>>
>>>> https://vmssoftware.com/resources/blog/2021-09-09-thinking-of-moving-to-postresql/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> SSIO (Shared Stream I/O) is mentioned on our roadmap, and once this is
>>>> available, customers will be able to run PostgreSQL (and other
>>>> applications requiring SSIO) natively on their OpenVMS systems, which
>>>> is most definitely something to look forward to.
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>> I like the use of the phrase "once this is available".
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Arne
>>>
>>> What is written into the roadmap is:
>>> "Shared Stream IO (SSIO) (Non-clustered)"
>>>
>>> That "non-clustred" phrase might be an issue for some...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Back in the day I did some work for a customer.  They had a cluster,
>> all at one site, of maybe 6 11/780 systems.  The reason for the
>> cluster was for additional compute capability.  Today, with multi-core
>> CPUs, that particular need is serviced without running a VMS cluster.
>>
>> Yes, there are multiple reasons to run a VMS cluster.  But compute
>> resources for the most part is no longer one of those reasons.
>>
>> I have no information to know what the breakdown is among VMS cluster
>> users.  But, I'll pull an Arne and state my factless opinion.  I'm
>> thinking that VMS clusters will not be an issue for many VMS users.
>>
>
> And I think that you are right. Most VMS loads can be handled by single
> system VMS systems today. And todays systems a way more relaible then what
> the 11/7x0 once was...
>
>
>

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Jan-Erik, I'm ALWAYS right.  I thought you knew that.

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