[Info-vax] Rust as a HS language, was: Re: Quiet?

[Simon Clubley]

On 2022-04-06, Dan Cross <cross at spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
> In article <t2klgp$dm4$1 at dont-email.me>,
> Simon Clubley  <clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
>
>>My point is that this all-new all-singing programming language that
>>will save us all (according to its creators) is released with all
>>these new and unique features that make Rust better than anything
>>else out there for security (also according to its creators).
>
> I invite you to provide a citation to one of the Rust creators
> making such a claim.
>
> Again, these people aren't fools: they understand that no one
> language is the One True Solution to All Problems.  The people
> who designed and implemented Rust are actually qualified PL
> people.  You seemed to have glombed onto the fan boys pitching
> hype and somehow think that's representative of the folks
> actually doing the work: it is not.
>

That last bit may be possible.

I don't know how old you are Dan, but I'm old enough to have gone
through the early years of Java and the insane levels of hype that
were being generated about Java during those days before things
settled down and much of it _was_ revealed to be hype.

The insane levels of promotion of Rust as "the" solution at the moment
remind me of those days.

>>People then start using this language to create libraries and manage
>>to still write code that compromises these new safety features, hence
>>making the library unsafe, but unsafe in a way that is unique to Rust
>>because it manages to violate the guarantees that the language says
>>it gives you.
>>
>>And before you say it, I know Rust is not unique in this and that is
>>exactly the point. Just as you have to do when writing code in other
>>programming languages, you still have to know what you are doing when
>>writing Rust code or you can still write code that has security issues
>>within it.
>
> No one serious ever claimed otherwise.
>

I note your "no one serious" qualifier. :-)

Sometimes, looking in from the outside, it's hard/impossible to tell
the difference.

Simon.

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