[Info-vax] Goodbye VAX

[Dave Froble]

On 1/11/2022 1:59 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2022-01-11, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>> On 1/11/2022 8:48 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2022-01-11, David Wade <g4ugm at dave.invalid> wrote:
>>>> ... probably end up being extradited to the USA to face charges on
>>>> things that happen outside the USA when we, the fully BREXITed UK can't
>>>> manage to get US citizens to face charges for things they did in the UK..
>>>>
>>>
>>> That last part really sucks. She should never have been allowed to
>>> flee the country.
>>>
>>
>> Ya know, for someone who believes in following the rules, you sure are
>> ambiguous.  I don't know much about that event, other than regardless of best
>> efforts, shit still happens.  But, If you're going to subscribe to diplomatic
>> immunity, you should not do so until you decide "maybe not".  As Yoda mentioned,
>> do, or do not.  Nor do I have much of an opinion about the practice, but, as I
>> mentioned, if you're going to have a rule, then follow it, always, not when you
>> maybe want to.
>>
>
> That's because there's a very open question about whether she had
> diplomatic immunity or not. She didn't have it for herself but claimed
> she did as a result of her husband having it.

Ok, why would diplomatic immunity exist?  To protect designated people from any 
pressures or such so they could do their jobs.

Now, if you are married, and have your family with you, and they didn't have the 
same protection as you, would not then you be subject to pressure from the host 
country, by them pressuring your family?  That pretty much screws any such 
protections for you.

Note, I'm not arguing whether she should have had such, but, because she did, 
then it's absolute.  If it is not absolute, then it doesn't exist at all.  If 
the USA claimed it, or Britain agreed to it, then it exists.  The most that 
could be done is expel the person.  Oh, wait, that's just what you're 
complaining about.

> However the CPS disagrees:
>
> From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49984737
>
> |The move to charge Mrs Sacoolas comes after a file was handed to the Crown
> |Prosecution Service (CPS) on 1 November. The CPS said immunity did not
> |apply to dependants of consular officials outside of London.
>
> There are also some rumours that the UK government let her leave in
> order to avoid an incident.

And there would be an incident.  Diplomatic immunity is one of the lubricants to 
international relations.


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