[Info-vax] The changing world

[seasoned_geek]

On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-5, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 7/1/2022 6:29 PM, chris wrote: 
> > On 07/01/22 23:08, Chris Townley wrote: 
> >> On 01/07/2022 22:13, Single Stage to Orbit wrote: 
> >>> On Fri, 2022-07-01 at 18:25 +0100, chris wrote: 
> >>>> On 07/01/22 15:37, Scott Dorsey wrote: 
> >>>>> chris<chris-... at tridac.net> wrote: 
> >>>>>> On 07/01/22 11:15, Scott Dorsey wrote: 
> >>>>>>> Dave Froble<da... at tsoft-inc.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > Right.Those who want to bend over for the EU are welcome. 
> > Here, the buck stops with our parliament, for better or 
> > for worse and no excuses...\ 
> > 
> > Chris
> Getting off topic ... 
> 
> I didn't pay much attention, as it would not affect me. But from the little I 
> read about, it seemed that the EU was intent on forcing their concepts on 
> everyone. It seems that many in GB would not accept some things, and therefore 
> left. 
> 
> But what puzzles me is that others, Poland, Hungary, maybe others, stay, but 
> ignore the EU when they choose to do so, and they seem to get away with it. 
> 
> So I wonder, why did GB have to toe the line so closely?

Not being a resident on the isle of rain or the isle of fog I can only speak about what I observed from over the the USA.

With an EU passport cheap labor could move to any EU country and decimate the standard of living. Developers from former Soviet Union were used to earning and living on nothing. They go to UK, work for 1/3 of what UK citizen makes, suddenly UK citizens unemployed or working for 1/3 of what they used to make just to have a job. Tough to do if you have a mortgage based on your previous income.

Insert most every industry for above.

UK was a "have" country and it was inundated with workers from "have not" countries.

We had the same problem here in the US. Facebook, Google, insert-tech-giant-name-here all went to Washington demanding H-1B caps be raised because there simply weren't enough programmers and IT professionals in America. Even while shit like this was going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html

An H-1B worker could be paid as little as $60K. Many were actually paid less both in money and in the fact they had a $60K salary based on a 40 hour work week but were forced to work 60-90 hour weeks or get sent home.

Then we got this bill
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-durbin-introduce-bipartisan-h-1b-l-1-visa-reform-legislation

Of course that came __after__ the DOL finally grew a pair.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/dols-sudden-mandatory-pay-increase-rocks-h-1b-worker-employers

They also closed that loophole employers were using to claim "every position was a level one and thus only needed a $60K salary." Today that Level 1 salary is $90K and it is a narrow entry level position, been a while since I read the rules change, but < 2 years experience is what I remember. Level 2 wages are now required to be around $200K.

Guess what? Tech giants aren't flocking to D.C. to get the visa cap raised. Suddenly there is no IT labor shortage. When they could get away demanding 10+ years of experience and still only pay $60K there was a massive shortage. Now that they have to pay them more than many U.S. citizens make . . . nah, we don't need more.