[Info-vax] The changing world

[chris]

On 07/05/22 11:03, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2022-07-05 01:12, chris wrote:
>> On 07/04/22 23:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-02 19:05, chris wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/22 15:56, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2022-07-02 at 10:19 +0000, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> So I wonder, why did GB have to toe the line so closely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> And they won't, two bills currently before Parliament will override
>>>>> the
>>>>> treaties the UK signed wih the EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not good news in the long run. Who will trust us if we break our word?
>>>>
>>>> The EU is fine so long as they get all their own way, but if you want
>>>> just one example of the velvet glove on iron hand, look at the way that
>>>> Greece was crushed. Encouraged to join, knowing full well their
>>>> finances
>>>> were not valid, EU played hard ball, private savings stolen, with
>>>> Greece
>>>> now owned by German banks. Not a shot fired, strange isn't it ?. Don't
>>>> trust them an inch, competitors, not friends.
>>>
>>> Greece also knew very well what it was getting into. Don't try to
>>> pretend that this was a one way street. Mismanaged and in debt, and they
>>> want to have the cake and eat it. Guess what? Somewhere down the line,
>>> someone always have to pay.
>>>
>>
>> Whatever Greece knew, the EU were more than happy to say yes.
>> Responsible adult ?, I don't think so.
>
> It's always easier to blame the other part than taking any
> responsibility yourself. I know.
>
>>>> Anyway, the agreements were just that, with an exit clause if found
>>>> not to be working, as in the NI issue. For better or worse, our
>>>> parliament should have the last word on all issues that cannot be
>>>> successfully negotiated...
>>>
>>> You should try that with your bank after you signed the papers and you
>>> don't like the conditions. I'm sure they would be very amused. :-)
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>
>> Conveniently missing the clause allowing exit from the agreement
>> if found not be working properly. The admin for product going
>> into NI can be up to 100 pages and is being enforced ruthlessly
>> by an EU wishing to make an example of us. They revel in
>> nitpicking and delay.
>>
>> You seem to have a rose tinted view of the EU, when in reality,
>> the only way to deal with them is via hard balled diplomacy,
>> reflecting the way that they treat us...
>
> I don't live in the EU (hello Switzerland). But when you define hardball
> diplomacy as "we'll sign this agreement, and then we'll break it", you
> can bet you are going to be in a bad position.
> That is, of course, your choice. But as others observed, that means that
> in the longer run, noone will sign many agreements with you. What is the
> point if you just keep breaking them when it's convenient for you.
>
> My opinion is that you should just have bitten the the bullet, and
> accepted the placement of hard border controls in NI, instead of trying
> to weasel NI to something semi-inside the EU while you are outside. What
> did you really expect was going to happen with that??? Either you are in
> or you are out. Don't try to eat the cake and keep it at the same time.
>
> Johnny

 From what I heard, Switzerland have their own issues with EU regulation,
with Swiss banking being held over a barrel by a dictatorial and
stubborn EU. How has that worked out, for a country not even a
member ?. When will people wake up, the EU is about power and control,
not democracy...

Chris