[Info-vax] The changing world

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In article <ta1dru$31g$1 at gioia.aioe.org>, chris <chris-nospam at tridac.net> writes:
>On 07/05/22 11:03, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2022-07-05 01:12, chris wrote:
>>> On 07/04/22 23:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-02 19:05, chris wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/22 15:56, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 2022-07-02 at 10:19 +0000, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> So I wonder, why did GB have to toe the line so closely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they won't, two bills currently before Parliament will override
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> treaties the UK signed wih the EU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not good news in the long run. Who will trust us if we break our word?
>>>>>
>>>>> The EU is fine so long as they get all their own way, but if you want
>>>>> just one example of the velvet glove on iron hand, look at the way that
>>>>> Greece was crushed. Encouraged to join, knowing full well their
>>>>> finances
>>>>> were not valid, EU played hard ball, private savings stolen, with
>>>>> Greece
>>>>> now owned by German banks. Not a shot fired, strange isn't it ?. Don't
>>>>> trust them an inch, competitors, not friends.
>>>>
>>>> Greece also knew very well what it was getting into. Don't try to
>>>> pretend that this was a one way street. Mismanaged and in debt, and they
>>>> want to have the cake and eat it. Guess what? Somewhere down the line,
>>>> someone always have to pay.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever Greece knew, the EU were more than happy to say yes.
>>> Responsible adult ?, I don't think so.
>>
>> It's always easier to blame the other part than taking any
>> responsibility yourself. I know.
>>
>>>>> Anyway, the agreements were just that, with an exit clause if found
>>>>> not to be working, as in the NI issue. For better or worse, our
>>>>> parliament should have the last word on all issues that cannot be
>>>>> successfully negotiated...
>>>>
>>>> You should try that with your bank after you signed the papers and you
>>>> don't like the conditions. I'm sure they would be very amused. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> Conveniently missing the clause allowing exit from the agreement
>>> if found not be working properly. The admin for product going
>>> into NI can be up to 100 pages and is being enforced ruthlessly
>>> by an EU wishing to make an example of us. They revel in
>>> nitpicking and delay.
>>>
>>> You seem to have a rose tinted view of the EU, when in reality,
>>> the only way to deal with them is via hard balled diplomacy,
>>> reflecting the way that they treat us...
>>
>> I don't live in the EU (hello Switzerland). But when you define hardball
>> diplomacy as "we'll sign this agreement, and then we'll break it", you
>> can bet you are going to be in a bad position.
>> That is, of course, your choice. But as others observed, that means that
>> in the longer run, noone will sign many agreements with you. What is the
>> point if you just keep breaking them when it's convenient for you.
>>
>> My opinion is that you should just have bitten the the bullet, and
>> accepted the placement of hard border controls in NI, instead of trying
>> to weasel NI to something semi-inside the EU while you are outside. What
>> did you really expect was going to happen with that??? Either you are in
>> or you are out. Don't try to eat the cake and keep it at the same time.
>>
>> Johnny
>
> From what I heard, Switzerland have their own issues with EU regulation,
>with Swiss banking being held over a barrel by a dictatorial and
>stubborn EU. How has that worked out, for a country not even a
>member ?. When will people wake up, the EU is about power and control,
>not democracy...

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