[Info-vax] VMS VAX License for personal Microvax 3100 Model 40

[Dave Froble]

On 7/25/2022 7:19 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 7:06 PM, chris wrote:
>> On 07/25/22 23:24, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 7/25/22 18:05, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <tbmqh7$1dgr0$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>>> Simon Clubley <clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> At this point, I am way more concerned about people pissing off VSI
>>>>> than I am about them pissing off HPE.
>>>>
>>>> I hear your ethical argument, but I find this point in
>>>> particular kind of bizarre. Why should VSI care? They
>>>> didn't license the VAX product and they don't issue VAX
>>>> licenses. In effect they have nothing to do with VAX,
>>>> and VMS on VAX has not been updated with the last 20
>>>> years or so of development on VMS generally, anyway.
>>>
>>> Because some people see this as demonstrating an attitude that
>>> licenses really don't mean anything and they will do as they
>>> please even with other people's IP. There a still some who
>>> feel strongly that it was that cavalier attitude the resulted
>>> in there never being a legitimate PDP-11 Hobbyist Program.
>>>
>>
>> There always those who will try to cheat and in some cases,
>> cause a vendor real loss. You will never stop that sort of
>> thing and vendors will have factored that into their
>> calculations..
>>
>> This subject turns up here with monotonous regularity and
>> the opinions are always the same, but it's an individuals
>> choice based on their sense of fair play and ethics. I
>> don't condone nor condemn it, as it's none of my business,
>> preaching to others, for or against...
>
> But it is not a choice that only imppact themselves.
>
> Stricter license rules, stricter license tools and
> more license audits is something that will hurt
> also the the law abiding users.
>
> So don't be surprised that some people speak up
> against software piracy!

Is running VAX/VMS (which nobody seems to care about anymore) to play with some 
old HW really piracy?  Even the question of just who is the victim of said 
piracy is sort of unknown.  Without a victim, can there really be piracy?


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