[Info-vax] Special deals on Tape Drives

[David Turner]

Really?
There must be over 5 Million IT Managers globally who only take care of 
Windows based servers
I would NOT trust any one of them to take care of/manage an Openvms server
Period.
Believe me, we deal with a lot of companies who fired, or lost (normally 
due to retirement or even.... death!) their OpenVMS IT manager.
These people hire replacements straight out of college (or not) and rely 
on their Windows expertise.
They know NOTHING about VMS. Even most Linux people now know very little 
about other operating systems, outside of Windows or MAC OS

I think anyone entrusting an outside company, no matter how big 
(Remember DELL and the Indian support debacle) is nuts. Beyond nuts.
But it will take several very bad experiences, and an understanding CTO 
to realize this

DT



On 3/6/2022 2:24 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/6/2022 1:41 PM, David Turner wrote:
>> So am I hearing this correctly????
>>
>> Most people here commenting are saying that they ARE comfortable 
>> using a Cloud Hosting service such as AWS to provide Data Center 
>> support and management for your OpenVMS boxes?????????
>
> AWS has around 50000 employees specializing in running all aspects
> of data centers, server hardware, managed services, tools etc..
>
> There is every reason to believe that they are better to do that
> than the average small/medium size company IT department.
>
> AWS is currently not offering any VMS based PaaS services as far
> as I know and even after VMS 9.2 get released then I doubt
> that they will.
>
> I expect other companies with VMS expertise to offer VMS based
> PaaS services in the future. AWS provide the VM's - the third party
> company provide VMS specific services.
>
>> Putting an enterprise at the mercy of a 20 year old night watchman 
>> (sorry, I mean Tech) at a WEB Services Co paid minimum wage to 
>> maintain your company's most important asset? Most of them have no 
>> experience with anything but windows and at best, can reboot a linux 
>> box.
>
> ????
>
> AWS (and Azure and GCP) hire a lot of good people. Some fresh out
> of college - some with 40+ years of experience running systems.
>
>> We are a small computer reseller, and I can tell you now, the fact 
>> that our servers are running in an air conditioned concrete room 
>> about 50 feet from where I work makes me feel a lot more comfortable 
>> at night. No one can touch it, or do some upgrade - nothing -without 
>> me putting my grubby hands on the server.
>>
>> As much as these webservices companies go, for a website - great. For 
>> an unimportant application like order entry from vpn users entering 
>> cat food orders... ok
>
> AWS/Azure/GCP data centers are very professional driven.
>
>> But from what I deal with, OpenVMS users are in business sectors with 
>> very high security strategies (and policies) , often top secret, 
>> always sensitive information.
>>
>> Entrusting this data to anyone outside the realms or control of your 
>> company is beyond Nutso!
>
> Everybody does it - including banks, military etc..
>
> Arne
>