[Info-vax] Special deals on Tape Drives

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 3/6/2022 2:33 PM, David Turner wrote: 
> > On 3/6/2022 2:24 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: 
> >> On 3/6/2022 1:41 PM, David Turner wrote: 
> >>> So am I hearing this correctly???? 
> >>> 
> >>> Most people here commenting are saying that they ARE comfortable 
> >>> using a Cloud Hosting service such as AWS to provide Data Center 
> >>> support and management for your OpenVMS boxes????????? 
> >> 
> >> AWS has around 50000 employees specializing in running all aspects 
> >> of data centers, server hardware, managed services, tools etc.. 
> >> 
> >> There is every reason to believe that they are better to do that 
> >> than the average small/medium size company IT department. 
> >> 
> >> AWS is currently not offering any VMS based PaaS services as far 
> >> as I know and even after VMS 9.2 get released then I doubt 
> >> that they will. 
> >> 
> >> I expect other companies with VMS expertise to offer VMS based 
> >> PaaS services in the future. AWS provide the VM's - the third party 
> >> company provide VMS specific services.
> > There must be over 5 Million IT Managers globally who only take care of 
> > Windows based servers 
> > I would NOT trust any one of them to take care of/manage an Openvms 
> server 
> > Period. 
> > Believe me, we deal with a lot of companies who fired, or lost (normally 
> > due to retirement or even.... death!) their OpenVMS IT manager. 
> > These people hire replacements straight out of college (or not) and rely 
> > on their Windows expertise. 
> > They know NOTHING about VMS. Even most Linux people now know very little 
> > about other operating systems, outside of Windows or MAC OS
> I don't think AWS has any VMS expertise, but unless they start offering 
> VMS based PaaS/FaaS/managed services/SaaS, then they don't need to. 
> 
> For the traditional IaaS they just provide the data center, server 
> hardware and the VM's. The rest is up to the customer. 
> 
> And since they are running a crazy high number of millions of servers, 
> then delivering VM's is something they are good at. 
> 
> I don't think they will be interested in offering VMS based 
> services. They only do in large volume stuff. 
> 
> VSI/IslandCo/Parsec/Stromasys/whoever that has VMS expertise 
> could start offering VMS based services on top of AWS/Azure/GCP 
> basic IaaS offerings. 
> 
> Lots of companies does that.
> > I think anyone entrusting an outside company, no matter how big 
> > (Remember DELL and the Indian support debacle) is nuts. Beyond nuts.
> Everybody entrust outside companies. Where does your electricity 
> come from? Etc.. 
> 
> Arne
FWIW  Stromasys has cloud presence for its emulators.  There are people with OpenVMS systems using Charon on the cloud for both VAX and Alpha.

Dan