[Info-vax] Viable versus ideal programming languages

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2022-03-23 kl. 12:29, skrev Bill Gunshannon:
> On 3/23/22 03:36, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-03-22 kl. 20:30, skrev Bill Gunshannon:
>>> On 3/22/22 14:42, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-22, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When talkning about these kind of systems, you need to
>>>>> qualify "support". It is not that you are able to run
>>>>> a C-compiler on any of those "platforms". But there are
>>>>> dev tools available for Windows/Linux or such, that does
>>>>> have a C-compiler included for these platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is more correct to talk about C-compilers that support
>>>>> these platforms, not the other way around.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a fair point Jan-Erik. When talking about embedded environments,
>>>> we really are indeed talking about C compilers that support the embedded
>>>> environment as a target environment, not a host environment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the two examples I gave, Z80 and 6809 the C-compilers do support
>>> the environment they run in.  And do it natively.
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>>
>> Compilers running on Z80 and/or 6809 plattforms natively?
>> Maybe it is tecnicaly possible but I do not see the point.
> 
> Why would you think it was not technically possible? Systems
> like the Z80 and 6809 are complete computers and support lots
> of languages just like other systems.  On my still running Z80's
> I have not only C but BASIC, Pascal, COBOL, Fortran, APL.  It
> even has limited TCP/IP abilities thru an add-on board that
> also provides emulated hard disks on CF cards.
> 
> On the 6809, which by the way is running multi-user/multi-
> tasking, I have C, Pascal, Logo and BASIC.  COBOL was
> available, but I never had it.  It also supports TCP/IP
> and emulated hard disks over a very fast serial connection.
> 
> And if I told you what these machines actually are you would
> probably be rolling on the floor laughing.
> 
> People today are spoiled.  They don't remember when we used to
> run the world on these much smaller systems.
> 
> bill
> 

Well, I grew up with the IMSAI and such system. Z80, 6800,
6809, SC/MP and so on up to todays PIC16/PIC18 are well known
to me. But OK. You could back in time write a small compiler
to run on these, but it would not be up do todays standards.