[Info-vax] Clang

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2022-11-16 kl. 15:13, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2022-11-16, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> wrote:
>> Den 2022-11-16 kl. 03:51, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>> On 11/15/2022 9:42 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2022 4:14 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-15 14:09:16 +0000, Simon Clubley said:
>>>>>> Given how critical LLVM has become, I would prefer a much more
>>>>>> conservative
>>>>>> upgrade schedule on the required language standards for use with LLVM
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long would you suggest waiting before starting to adopt C++17 features?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Five years, and ~most of two standards, maybe?
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious.  While I don't know diddly about C++, I'm wondering about
>>>> all the rather often upgrades to the standard.  Was it that bad to begin
>>>> with?  Does it really need such constant upgrades?
>>>
>>> It is common for actively maintained languages to get
>>> new versions with new features every 12/24/36 months.
>>>
>>> To stay competitive C++ needs to evolve with the rest.
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why does C++ (or C) need to "stay competitive"?
> 
> There are some things that are a good idea to add, but don't forget that
> one possible driver is that it's in the personal interests of the people
> on the language committee to continue to "appear relevant". That means
> there may be motivation to add features that might not be really required to
> continue to show their current and future employers how "important" they are.
> 
> The employers also have a vested interest in continuing to see updated
> versions of the language standards so they can sell updated compilers.
> 
>> If there are better tools to do the same job, why not use them instead?
> 
> Sacrilege!!! You can't have that kind of reasonable talk around here. :-)
> 
>> Is this some kind of competition between languages?
> 
> Yes. Unfortunately. (And we all pay the price as a result. :-( )
> 
> Simon.
> 

Yes, I know that were some leading questions... :-)