[Info-vax] MariaDB/MySQL on x86

[Dave Froble]

On 4/26/2023 7:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/26/2023 12:14 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>> On 4/26/23 7:19 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2023-04-26, Craig A. Berry <craigberry at nospam.mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/23 5:33 AM, Neil Rieck wrote:
>>>>> One of the annoyances with MariaDB-10 (and MySQL-6) is that they can
>>>>> only be built with C11 which is still not available on OpenVMS/Alpha
>>>>> or OpenVMS/Itanium
>>>> Not sure that will ever happen.  It's hard to see how VSI can afford to
>>>> continue to make major changes to the traditional front end on all
>>>> platforms while also keeping up with clang on x86.
>>>
>>> They don't need to change those front ends.
>>>
>>> If you have existing DEC-specific code, use the DEC front ends that John
>>> is writing.
>>>
>>> If you have industry-standard C or C++ code that needs modern compiler
>>> standards, then just call clang directly, instead of via one of the
>>> DEC front ends.
>>
>> Which is no help at all for someone who just said, "C11 which is still
>> not available on OpenVMS/Alpha or OpenVMS/Itanium."  Unless someone with
>> a very large pile of cash wants to revive llvm-alpha and llvm-ia64.
>
> I don't know if VSI has officially stated it, but when I saw
> that Alpha and Itanium would not get 9.x, then my conclusion
> was that:
> - VSI will support Alpha and Itanium to run what is running
>   on them today - whatever was created 20-30 years ago will
>   continue to run for many years to come
> - anyone wanting major new VMS or VMS LP functionality for
>   new stuff will need to migrate to x86-64
>
> Arne
>

I do believe that the purpose of starting up VSI was to port VMS to x86 and 
beyond.  I've got to think that it would not have happened for just Alpha and 
itanic.  Those are dead, no new chips, no growth potential.  Perhaps the Alpha 
and itanic support was mainly to keep the customers on VMS until x86 VMS was ready.

The original announced plan did not include Alpha.  But enough paying customers 
convinced VSI to have an Alpha VMS release.  I remember Clair Grant writing 
something like "now to see if we can make any money from Alpha", or something 
like that.

So, since they planned on a single source for Alpha, itanic, and x86, at least 
as much as possible, the support for the dead CPUs also helped x86.


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