[Info-vax] VSI employee retirements

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 2/1/2023 10:53 AM, bill wrote:
> On 2/1/2023 9:49 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 2/1/2023 9:36 AM, bill wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2023 3:18 AM, Douy Xebis wrote:
>>>> On 1/23/2023 8:09 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-22, David Turner <dturner at islandco.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I heard from an old friend and Dealer in the VSI neighborhood that 
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> more got their pink slips a few weeks ago.
>>>>>> This has got to be unnerving for the employees
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, that's rather different from people choosing to leave and finally
>>>>> retire. It's also a little worrying if true, because where VSI are
>>>>> finally at with VMS means they should, if anything, currently be 
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> more employees to handle the workload from people moving to x86-64.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know for sure that people have been fired by VSI or is this
>>>>> really still people just deciding to leave VSI to retire ?
>>>>
>>>> About a dozen engineers were fired.
>>>
>>> "Fired" or "layed off"?
>>>
>>> There is a different connotation to those two terms.
>>
>> In the US. Many places elsewhere there is no such distinction.
>> In Danish both would translate to the same. Danish does have
>> a different term, but that is reserved for cases like
>> what the US military would call "dishonorable discharge".
>>
>> Given the number and the times then "laid off" seems
>> way more likely than "fired". But the 12 people may not
>> even be in the US. And the poster may not be an American.
>>
> 
> I thought the person who posted the comment was from my side of
> the pond

Douy Xebis <aarr at uodobdu.db>

??

>         where the distinction makes a difference. A person
> who is "layed off" is considered to be out of work through
> no fault of their own and is usually eligible for unemployment
> compensation.  A person who is "fired" is usually considered to
> be responsible for the loss of their job and frequently not
> eligible for unemployment compensation.  Big difference.

I know.

But just wanted to point out that it may not be like that
where "Douy" is located.

                          US         DK
headcount reduction      laid off   fyret
bad performance          fired      fyret
bad attitude             fired      fyret
bad/criminal behavior    fired      bortvist

I am not assuming "Douy" is in Denmark - I am just using Danish
as an example outside US - I don't know German or French well
enough to know how it is in those languages.

Arne