[Info-vax] Time to turn DECUServe into a mixed VMScluster?

[Chris Townley]

On 03/06/2023 21:11, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-06-02 20:00, Bob Gezelter wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-4, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2023-06-01 20:28, Rich Alderson wrote:
>>>> MG <em_g... at SPAMxs4all.nl> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31-May-2023 21:34, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The totally new to VMS just wanting to try a few DCL commands
>>>>>> probably do not care what architecture they are running on - most
>>>>>> likely they will not even know. VMS is VMS.
>>>>
>>>>> On what other platform can one run "a few DCL commands"?
>>>>
>>>> Umm, RSTS/E springs immediately to mind, followed closely by IAS...
>>> I can't remember for sure if DCL was originally for IAS or RSX-11M-PLUS,
>>> and everything else came after that.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>> Johnny,
>>
>> VAX/VMS DCL was present at the initial public handbook point, and 
>> highly likely earlier.
> 
> No question that DCL was there from day one of VMS. That does not mean 
> DCL didn't exist before VMS.
> 
> Desperately seeking for the source/reference now, but failing at the 
> moment (I'll find it sooner or later). But thinking about it, I'm fairly 
> sure DCL originated on IAS.
> 
> Ah - found one (it). https://www.john-a-harper.com/ias.html (by one of 
> the people working on/implementing IAS.)
> 
>> RSX-11M-PLUS genesis is later. RSX-11M DCL is well later (I was a 
>> field test site for RSX-11M 3.2).
> 
> DCL for sure already existed by -11M 3.2, though.
> 
> Looking at RSX sources would date that version to 1980.
> 
>> IAS I cannot speak to.  Also, did not encounter RSTS/E till later.
> 
> RSTS/E DCL is way later. But it is maybe the one closest to VMS.
> 
>> Somewhere I had a TOPS-20 reference card, but cannot go looking for it.
> 
> TOPS-20 EXEC is (as others mentioned) nothing near DCL.
> 
>    Johnny

ISTR that DCL came in with RSTOS V9. Many of my colleagues grumbled 
about it - then we moved to VAX...

-- 
Chris