[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Dave Froble]

On 6/20/2023 8:51 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-06-19, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 6/19/2023 1:43 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> That's all well and good Rob, but what happens when China grows a bit
>>> stronger and then decides to show you who the boss is by cutting off
>>> your imports ?
>>
>> Americans can no longer get cheap furniture, cheap tools and all
>> sorts of cheap junk from China.
>>
>> They will survive.
>>
>
> They also can't get all the medical supplies and critical equipment
> now produced in China, and which would need a _serious_ amount of time
> to rebuild that infrastructure within the US.

It is my understanding that much of the medical stuff comes from India and other 
places.  Don't know how much comes from China.

> Are you sure about the above ?

Yes, we would survive.  We'd learn the lesson to not be so dependent on others, 
but, we'd just have to "onshore" what we'd let go of in the past.

>>>                                                     That's where the US
>>> currently gets most of its bullying power from.
>>
>> It doesn't really give any power.
>>
>
> Yes, it does. The US is currently using its power to force its allies
> to also impose sanctions. In a more general way, the US imposes a threat
> of being frozen out of the US banking system to get its way.

True.

>>> In the old days, your military had to worry about protecting your
>>> industrial base from an enemy. These days, all your enemy needs to
>>> do is to threaten to stop sending you the goods they now produce
>>> for you.
>>
>> If the goods are critical yes.
>>
>> But China export is mostly consumer stuff.
>>
>
> So what happened to the supply chains during Covid was an illusion ?
> (And that was with China still trying to meet its obligations!)

It's a bit complex.  Consider two people in a rubber life raft.  They don't get 
along, so, one decides to sink the raft, to harm the other.  The first person is 
also in the life raft.  Both would suffer.


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