[Info-vax] A cry for help

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <kqnajqFashU2 at mid.individual.net>,
bill  <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/4/2023 11:25 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> John Reagan  <xyzzy1959 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've been doing this manually and also reported to Google thru other channe=
>>> ls.  No difference so far.
>> 
>> Google is not the solution.  Google is the problem.  Expecting anyone at
>> Google to ever do anything about their customers' constant and incessant
>> abuse of Usenet is futile.  It has been going on for decades now and
>> complaints to Google have never done any good.
>> 
>> Get off Google, and get onto a legitimate Usenet service.  Many of them
>> block postings from Google, and the ones that don't will allow you a
>> normal newsreader which has services to block this stuff.
>
>Some one has to be providing Google with a feed.  The answer is to get
>all of them to stop providing any kind of connection to Google.

The UDP against Google was attempted back in 2005 or so.  The general
feeling at the time was that although more posts from Google were trash
than legitimate, the backbone cabal felt that that the legitimate posts
justified the feed.

In the past when a UDP had been proposed, the mere threat of the UDP
caused the site admins to take notice and start dealing with their
problems, so the UDP is primarily more effective as a threat than
anything else. Unfortunately Google doesn't really have anyone actually
running Google Groups.  It seems to be mostly unattended, and news admins
have never been able to get in touch with anyone there.  So as a threat,
the UDP is useless.  It is only useful in action to disable all traffic
and whether or not this is a real benefit is a thing that can be discussed.
--scott
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