[Info-vax] VMS on Raspberry Pi 5

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2023-11-15 15:58, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2023-11-15, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-14 20:50, Jim Jackson wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-14, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With find it don't matter. Even the original is crazy. The one tool
>>>> where the Unix paradigm got completely lost...
>>>
>>> I'm baffled by this.
>>>
>>> find finds stuff in the filesystem that match some conditions.
>>>
>>> What else does it do?
>>
>> Well, the question is - what does it do beyond walking the file system.
>> Because it don't stop there.
>> But first of all, it can walk the file system in different ways, and it
>> can do selections while walking the file systems in myriads of ways.
>> But then when it does match things, it can do all kind of stuff.
>> Do you even understand how to use "prune" for example? If you do, try it
>> and see if it actually gives the result you expect. (Yes, it is possible
>> to use in the way one thinks, but it's not trivial to understand how it
>> can be used.)
>>
>> But in the end, find can then run any arbitrary command, might not even
>> be related to the files matched, but you can also make it run commands
>> with the matching file name put into the command line.
> 
> Yes it can ANOTHER command, big deal - vi is an editor and you can run
> a command from it, so what.
> 
> As I said above find finds stuff in the filesystem that match some conditions.
> The fact that the filesystem is complex, so the condition matching is
> complex is by-the-by.
> 
> Find does one thing and does it well.

Well. I don't fully agree with that, but I'm fine with just disagreeing 
without getting into any further discussions. I can certainly dig up 
other tools under Unix which left the "unix paradigm" behind a long time 
ago, if you want.

COPY under VMS only does one thing as well, which is just copying files. 
So I still do not think VMS is really much different from Unix. The OP 
seems to have been using VMS with some additional layer which conflated 
the view, and don't really expose how one normally interacts with VMS. 
And that twisted experiece seems to have been the reason for the comment 
to start with. So I think we can lay this whole thread down.

   Johnny