[Info-vax] openvms and xterm

[chrisq]

On 4/19/24 22:44, John Dallman wrote:
> In article <uvtjbq$2ujbg$3 at dont-email.me>, yep at yep.yep (motk) wrote:
> 
>>> If it ain't broke, why fix it ?...
>> Because it's _broken_. ssh x11 forwarding has been deliberately
>> broken by _design_ for a _decade_, if you're found using X11 in a
>> corporate environemt you will get an earnest conversation with
>> people with no sense of humour, the world is real and here and now.
> 
> That's an extremely sweeping statement. I'm working for a very large and
> paranoid corporation. I wouldn't try using X11 across the internet, but
> for working with a lot of different Linuxes, macOS and Solaris in a
> secured development lab, it is truly excellent, and nobody is trying to
> stop me.
> 
> It lets me have editors and terminal windows on lots of different Linuxes
> without needing to deal with their different GUIs and desktop
> environments. As far as I can see, Wayland doesn't offer that unless you
> slap on a remote desktop protocol. I actively don't want remote desktop:
> it is not useful to me, it will suck bandwidth, and it gives me much,
> much more setup to do.
> 
> I produce closed-source commercial shared libraries that have to work on
> as many Linuxes as possible. The list of ones I have running in the lab
> isn't ludicrous, but nor is it short:
> 
> x86-64: CentOS 7.9, RHEL 8.9, Rocky 8.9, Alma 8.9, Alma 9.3, SLES12sp5,
> SLES15sp5, Ubuntu LTS 20.04 and 22.04. I need to add Ubuntu LTS 24.04
> soon, of course, and I'm getting extended support on the CentOS 7.9s so
> that products released on them can serve out their maintenance lives.
> 
> Aarch64: Ubuntu 20.04, Amazon Linux 2, and RHEL 8.9. I need to add Amazon
> Linux 2023, Ubuntu LTS 22.04 and 24.04.
> 
> Would you want to set up desktops for all those different Linuxes?
> 
> John

Absolutely, Solaris, Linux, Freebsd and even cygwin + X + xfce4, all 
depend on X11 at core. VMS as well, though not sure of current status.

As with systemd, Wayland looks like yet another attempt at power grab,
and even after years, still doesn't work properly, nor is it complete
compared to X functionality. Who cares if X isn't completely secure, 
just use it accordingly...

Chris