[Info-vax] openvms and xterm

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On 4/21/24 23:45, motk wrote:
> On 20/04/2024 10:37 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
> 
>> I wonder who you think is “grabbing” this “power”. Both systemd and
>> Wayland are open-source projects, created by people who see a problem and
>> are trying to fix it. Those in the community who see value in these
>> efforts adopt their solutions, others don’t. There is no Monopolistic™
>> BigCorp® forcing any of these things down our throats. If you don’t want
>> to use them, don’t use them.
> 
> If you've ever spend two days awake chasing races in shell scripts 
> across pacemaker/corosync you'd do anything for systemd or something 
> similar, like the solaris stuff.

One could argue that if you are chasing races in scripts, there's
something else wrong in the basic system design :-).

Having used Solaris for decades, their svcadm and other service 
management tools seemed quite lightweight, in that all the config
scripts were in the usual places. Still in plain text format, as were
the log files, which could be manually edited with no ill effect. In
essence, a layer on top of what was already there. The FreeBSD service
framework seems to work in the same way, a lightweight layer on top of
what was already there. Limited experience, but the AIX smit etc tools
also seem to work the same way, layered software design.

Now compare such an approach with that of systemd, and tell us why
such opaque complexity is a good thing...

> 
> This is what I'm saying here, it's possible to neckbeard yourself into 
> irrelevance and then you end up looking like some dude complaining 
> that's no such thing as rock and roll anymore. It's just cringe.
>