[Info-vax] RMS intro

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 1/4/2024 8:50 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <un7lua$3rjrl$1 at dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo at nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:13:49 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2024 5:25 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 15:58:10 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>
>>> Inserted back:
>>>
>>> #But what I heard from most WP users back then was that they #actually
>>> liked the UI.
>>>
>>>>> What made many of them drop WP was the lack of apps.
>>>>
>>>> No it wasn’t.
>>>
>>> Are you telling me that you know better than me what I heard back then?
>>
>> Yes. I watched it unfold, in my efforts to learn Android development
>> myself. I saw the comments about apps and lack of apps.
> 
> You don't seem to realize it, but you are responding to a
> comment where Arne is talking about people he knows or knew
> who talked about why they (that is, those people, specifically)
> abandoned the Windows Phone.  Whether Arne's set of
> aquantances and their personal preferences has any particular
> meaning is debatable (it is anecdotal at best), but, as I feel
> it same to assume you don't know the people he's specifically
> referring to, you are arguing something that is clearly false.

Definitely anecdotal.

More anecdotes:

https://www.windowscentral.com/phones/windows-phone/carrier-disinterest-led-to-windows-phone-downfall-says-former-lead-developer

Brandon Watson, former head of the Windows Phone Developer Experience

<quote>
"We had a lot of the major apps, but if you're missing that one core app 
that a salesperson used in the top 50, that ripple effect from that one 
salesperson was a really rough go. The combinatorial math got out of 
control when you consider the number of salespeople and the likelihood 
of one of their required top 50 apps not being on the Windows Phone 
platform."
</quote>

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-nokia-frustrated-lack-of-apps-windows-phone-20130729-story.html

Bryan Biniak, Nokia VP

<quote>
“We are releasing new devices frequently and for every new device, if 
there is an app that somebody cares about that’s not there, that’s a 
missed opportunity of a sale,”
...
“It’s not just about the hardware, it’s about the tools that are on the 
hardware,” he said. “You can’t sell a phone without the apps, you just 
can’t.”
</quote>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/here-are-the-real-reasons-windows-phone-failed-reveals-ex-nokia-engineer/

Former Nokia engineer

<quote>
"Even if WP got apps and whatever else it lacked, there just wasn't a 
compelling reason to switch. Even now I sense the number swapping 
between iOS and Android is pretty low."
</quote>

There were undoubtedly more than one reason behind WP failure,
but the above should show that people that were close to WP
did consider lack of app at least "a" reason for WP failure.

(they also list various other problems)

Arne