[Info-vax] VMWARE/ESXi Linux

Thu Nov 28 08:44:37 EST 2024

Le 27/11/2024 à 22:33, David Turner a écrit :
> I keep being told that VMWARE is not an OS in itself.
> But it is... based on Ubuntu Kernel....  stripped down but still Linux
> 
> So basically another layer to fail before VMS loads. Wonder why people 
> are not using the real Alpha or Integrity as cheap as they are
> 
> DT
Dear David,

Don't you think you are a little bit obsolete? It's the second time the 
question is asked. And the second time the discussion evolves to the 
comparison between virtualization solutions.

It's a free media, and everyone can choose about what he wants to speak 
about.

These discussions demonstrate where are the major interests. So?

I remember the 2013-2014 years where I was going around Europ with Kevin 
saying that perhaps VMS wasn't a major ecosystem, but there was interest 
on going on with it. I remember saying here the same thing. And I was at 
that time, as you, totaly obsolete.

So it seems there are 2 obsolete guys on c.o.v  - not mentionning 
Subcommandante, who has to going on being anonymous -.

Today it seems I have been right. VSI cannot say the contrary.

Something has to be said. Main stream is always very important. And a 
lot of things are to be done about main stream. But thinking only for 
main stream situations is always wrong.

Thinking only from main stream? Example: HP' board have a look on the 
n'th column in Excel for the business report about VMS... so VMS is 
dead. Hum !

For sure the bare metal option for VMS in an exception from an 
exception. So it's wrong? Perhaps.

But.

There is somehow a big structural mistake about the way we choose 
virtualization only for VMS.

They say: we cannot go on the same pace of hardware  renew. And using 
virtualization garanties we'll not have to do so. Right.

Almost right. Because there will be same problems when mister Broadcom 
for VMSware, mister IBM for Red Hat, mister Oracle for VM or KVM will 
decide to create new versions, because of the gap with new hardware. It 
is for sure that with virtualization the pace is more sustainable.

But the wrongness of the argument is here: everywhere you choose to go, 
you have got the problem of the contradiction between sustainability, 
good pace of evolution and the way main stream of evolution is going. 
You cannot forget this problem arguing virtualization is The Solution. 
There will be always the problem, and we have to cope with it.

Dear obsolete friend, I can say we are not so isolated. Sometimes things 
can be understood observing other landscapes. The big word I think about 
is: LTS. How surprising it can be, a lot of software suppliers, 
developers, for a lot of OSes, langages, applications are offering LTS 
offers - sometimes  with more money -.

Perhaps saying that could make us too sad. But VMS is structurally in 
the domain of LTS. And because of that perhaps the concept "obsolete" 
has to be revisited for us.

We have to be able to support a huge time of specific pace of sites, 
garantying evolution in paces choosed, responding to minorities 
demands... And yes the business plans about that are to be adapted. I 
don't live in Massachusset or in Danmark, but I do thing a lot of 
thinking is already here about cycling economics, sustanaibility in 
economics...

(On my side, I bought for 150 € a gen9 proliant and booted VMS on it. I 
bet in the 2034 year, my VMS will go on, the same year Version 222 of 
Red Hat will be a huge problem :) - end of the parenthesis).