From stigmalmo at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 05:39:15 2005
From: stigmalmo at gmail.com (Stig MALMO)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:39:15 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
Message-ID: <52c0ad4c0512070239u2e8006a1l@mail.gmail.com>

If you like me enjoy the older music and dances from the 1940?s and 50?s you
might want to check out my webpage that I just opened.
It?s called www.squaredanceoldies.com  and I have out of extensive
collection been recording the old 78?s from the period 1940?s - 50?s onto
cd?s after cleaning them up the best I could from surface noise and pops and
cracks. I have recorded many of the Cd?s with the caller in mind that
doesn?t have access to live music- one version with calls plus the same in
an instrumental version.
I hope some of you will enjoy this site.

Stig
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From dave at daveswebplace.net  Wed Dec  7 09:09:56 2005
From: dave at daveswebplace.net (dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:09:56 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
In-Reply-To: <52c0ad4c0512070239u2e8006a1l@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1133964597_6791@rcmdxmail04>

Listening to the old recordings was great.  I started dancing in 1963, and
have a couple recordings from that time period, both 45s and at least one
78.  
 
About 10-12 years ago one of our area callers brought his father's records
to a dance.  His father had been the club caller before him.  He warned us
ahead of time that we needed to do real back to back dosados, and he was
right.  A lot of the timing didn't fit if we did a swing (unless we knew
that dosado ended up facing, not side-by-side).  
 
This past weekend I had the pleasure of dancing to Marshall Flippo, at the
Natural Bridge Holiday Dance-A-Rama.  He has been calling for 55 years.
During the weekend he used a few of his old tunes, but they were
re-releases, not the original 78s.  
 
Dave Hinde
 

  _____  

From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com
[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Stig MALMO
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:39 AM
To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com
Subject: [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies


 
 
If you like me enjoy the older music and dances from the 1940?s and 50?s you
might want to check out my webpage that I just opened.
It?s called www.squaredanceoldies.com <http://www.squaredanceoldies.com/>
and I have out of extensive collection been recording the old 78?s from the
period 1940?s - 50?s onto cd?s after cleaning them up the best I could from
surface noise and pops and cracks. I have recorded many of the Cd?s with the
caller in mind that doesn?t have access to live music- one version with
calls plus the same in an instrumental version. 
I hope some of you will enjoy this site.
 
Stig
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From stigmalmo at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 09:43:00 2005
From: stigmalmo at gmail.com (Stig MALMO)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:43:00 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
In-Reply-To: <1133964597_6791@rcmdxmail04>
References: <52c0ad4c0512070239u2e8006a1l@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133964597_6791@rcmdxmail04>
Message-ID: <52c0ad4c0512070643r5fa0f6eck@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Dave-

I agree - re-releases are good but many times they don?t match the chrm of
the old 78 recordings which is why I started on this project of transferring
these oldies onto cd?s.
You can if you want get copies for yourself by writing me.
Stig


2005/12/7, dave <dave at daveswebplace.net>:
>
> Listening to the old recordings was great.  I started dancing in 1963, and
> have a couple recordings from that time period, both 45s and at least one
> 78.
>
> About 10-12 years ago one of our area callers brought his father's records
> to a dance.  His father had been the club caller before him.  He warned us
> ahead of time that we needed to do real back to back dosados, and he was
> right.  A lot of the timing didn't fit if we did a swing (unless we knew
> that dosado ended up facing, not side-by-side).
>
> This past weekend I had the pleasure of dancing to Marshall Flippo, at the
> Natural Bridge Holiday Dance-A-Rama.  He has been calling for 55 years.
> During the weekend he used a few of his old tunes, but they were
> re-releases, not the original 78s.
>
> Dave Hinde
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:
> Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] *On Behalf Of *Stig MALMO
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:39 AM
> *To:* squaredancing at rbnsn.com
> *Subject:* [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
>
>
>
>
> If you like me enjoy the older music and dances from the 1940?s and 50?s
> you might want to check out my webpage that I just opened.
> It?s called www.squaredanceoldies.com  and I have out of extensive
> collection been recording the old 78?s from the period 1940?s - 50?s onto
> cd?s after cleaning them up the best I could from surface noise and pops and
> cracks. I have recorded many of the Cd?s with the caller in mind that
> doesn?t have access to live music- one version with calls plus the same in
> an instrumental version.
> I hope some of you will enjoy this site.
>
> Stig
>
> _______________________________________________
> Squaredancing mailing list
> Squaredancing at rbnsn.com
> http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com
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>
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From stigmalmo at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 09:44:06 2005
From: stigmalmo at gmail.com (Stig MALMO)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:44:06 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
In-Reply-To: <52c0ad4c0512070643r5fa0f6eck@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52c0ad4c0512070239u2e8006a1l@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133964597_6791@rcmdxmail04>
	<52c0ad4c0512070643r5fa0f6eck@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52c0ad4c0512070644q50805271o@mail.gmail.com>

By the way - Marshall is also a favorite of mine - his timing is just
perfect and he calls SOO cmooth. I love that guy.
Stig


2005/12/7, Stig MALMO <stigmalmo at gmail.com>:
>
> Yes Dave-
>
> I agree - re-releases are good but many times they don?t match the chrm of
> the old 78 recordings which is why I started on this project of transferring
> these oldies onto cd?s.
> You can if you want get copies for yourself by writing me.
> Stig
>
>
> 2005/12/7, dave <dave at daveswebplace.net>:
> >
> >  Listening to the old recordings was great.  I started dancing in 1963,
> > and have a couple recordings from that time period, both 45s and at least
> > one 78.
> >
> > About 10-12 years ago one of our area callers brought his father's
> > records to a dance.  His father had been the club caller before him.  He
> > warned us ahead of time that we needed to do real back to back dosados, and
> > he was right.  A lot of the timing didn't fit if we did a swing (unless we
> > knew that dosado ended up facing, not side-by-side).
> >
> > This past weekend I had the pleasure of dancing to Marshall Flippo, at
> > the Natural Bridge Holiday Dance-A-Rama.  He has been calling for 55 years.
> > During the weekend he used a few of his old tunes, but they were
> > re-releases, not the original 78s.
> >
> > Dave Hinde
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com]
> > *On Behalf Of *Stig MALMO
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:39 AM
> > *To:* squaredancing at rbnsn.com
> > *Subject:* [Squaredancing] squaredance oldies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If you like me enjoy the older music and dances from the 1940?s and 50?s
> > you might want to check out my webpage that I just opened.
> > It?s called www.squaredanceoldies.com  and I have out of extensive
> > collection been recording the old 78?s from the period 1940?s - 50?s onto
> > cd?s after cleaning them up the best I could from surface noise and pops and
> > cracks. I have recorded many of the Cd?s with the caller in mind that
> > doesn?t have access to live music- one version with calls plus the same in
> > an instrumental version.
> > I hope some of you will enjoy this site.
> >
> > Stig
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Squaredancing mailing list
> > Squaredancing at rbnsn.com
> > http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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From stigmalmo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 16:43:46 2005
From: stigmalmo at gmail.com (Stig MALMO)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:43:46 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] webpage with older squaredance music
Message-ID: <52c0ad4c0512081343q4ef4b895q@mail.gmail.com>

My name is Stig Malmo - and I am a caller from Denmark who have been
collecting over a period of 15 years older square dance related material-
music and books, mostly from the period 1940?s - 50?s. If anyone of you is
interested in some of the dances or the recorded music of that period I just
want to inform you that I just opened a webpage where you can hear and get
some of these golden oldies.
The adress is:

www.squaredanceoldies.com
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From jmaczko at san.rr.com  Fri Dec  9 10:04:44 2005
From: jmaczko at san.rr.com (Jim Maczko)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:04:44 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio
References: <52c0ad4c0512070239u2e8006a1l@mail.gmail.com>
	<1133964597_6791@rcmdxmail04>
	<52c0ad4c0512070643r5fa0f6eck@mail.gmail.com>
	<52c0ad4c0512070644q50805271o@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013901c5fcd1$e49c7370$a9f15f46@Jim>

Received information from Duane and Marilyn Olson - Presidents of the Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. of a unique promotion of Square Dancing.  We felt it worthy to make all dancers aware of this information.

 

Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board
ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE, INC. 
Post Office Box 712918
San Diego, California  92171-2918

 

619-295-2635

 

jmaczko at san.rr.com 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

    Just wanted to pass along the information in the e-mail below.  What a unique promotion of square dancing.  As we understand it this same show will continue until Christmas at various locations around the Midwest (Mankato, MN; Denver, CO;  Rapid City, SD; Bismarck, ND; Fargo, ND; Sioux City, IA; Omaha, NE; Des Moines, IA; Milwaukee, WI) to name a few.  As far as we know this same square dance routine will be included in all of those shows.

    Duane & Marilyn Olson
    President, Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Square dance news" <sqdance at ties2.net>
To: <Dance.news at ties2.net>
Cc: <Friendship.Set.to.Music at ties2.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Truly wonderful square-dancing promotion


Thanks to Bob and Velma Wolff,  thirty-six Westonka Whirlers saw an incredible endorsement and promotion of square dancing this afternoon!  Where?  Lorie Line and her Pop Chamber Orchestra presented her 2005 Holiday Extravaganza at the State Theater in Minneapolis.  What a show!  For two-and-a-half hours, the sold-out theater clapped, cheered, and rang bells as Lorie presented her theme this year:  "My Favorite Things."

Near the end of the first half, Lorie formed a square and they squared danced to a Christmas tune!  Yes, they actually did a square dance with Tim, her husband and narrator of the show, calling the dance as well as calling the dancers the Westonka Whirlers!  When he called "teacup chain," we broke into cheers!   The performers on stage knew the "real"  Westonka Whirlers were there!  

 

How did they learn to square dance?

On the back of the program, Lori listed a special thanks "To the real Westonka Whirlers who taught us how to square dance one beautiful fall morning.  That was a very memorable day."

In actuality, it wasn't the Whirlers who taught them how to dance--it was Dick Rueter.  The Whirlers provided a square so he could work out a routine for them and have some dancers to perform his choreography at Lorie's dance studio and then be "angels" for them.  We had a ball!


And now 47 audiences will see an example of square dancing that is professionally done and looks like so much FUN!





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From MLMaag at perkinscoie.com  Fri Dec  9 12:03:54 2005
From: MLMaag at perkinscoie.com (Maag, Mary Lou  (Perkins Coie))
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:03:54 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio
Message-ID: <73D41346804B4341A8E259260D5ADC331EF58F@SEASMAIL03.perkinscoie.root.loc>


This sounds great, depening on what were the dancers wearing.

 - ml

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com
[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Jim Maczko
	Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:05 AM
	To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com; Dosado at yahoogroups.com;
sd-callers at all8.com
	Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio



	Received information from Duane and Marilyn Olson - Presidents
of the Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. of a unique promotion
of Square Dancing.  We felt it worthy to make all dancers aware of this
information.

	

	Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board
	ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE, INC.
	Post Office Box 712918
	San Diego, California  92171-2918

	

	619-295-2635

	

	jmaczko at san.rr.com


________________________________


	

	    Just wanted to pass along the information in the e-mail
below.  What a unique promotion of square dancing.  As we understand it
this same show will continue until Christmas at various locations around
the Midwest (Mankato, MN; Denver, CO;  Rapid City, SD; Bismarck, ND;
Fargo, ND; Sioux City, IA; Omaha, NE; Des Moines, IA; Milwaukee, WI) to
name a few.  As far as we know this same square dance routine will be
included in all of those shows.

	    Duane & Marilyn Olson
	    President, Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc.


________________________________



	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Square dance news" <sqdance at ties2.net
<mailto:sqdance at ties2.net> >
	To: <Dance.news at ties2.net <mailto:Dance.news at ties2.net> >
	Cc: <Friendship.Set.to.Music at ties2.net
<mailto:Friendship.Set.to.Music at ties2.net> >
	Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:54 PM
	Subject: Truly wonderful square-dancing promotion


	Thanks to Bob and Velma Wolff,  thirty-six Westonka Whirlers saw
an incredible endorsement and promotion of square dancing this
afternoon!  Where?  Lorie Line and her Pop Chamber Orchestra presented
her 2005 Holiday Extravaganza at the State Theater in Minneapolis.  What
a show!  For two-and-a-half hours, the sold-out theater clapped,
cheered, and rang bells as Lorie presented her theme this year:  "My
Favorite Things."

	Near the end of the first half, Lorie formed a square and they
squared danced to a Christmas tune!  Yes, they actually did a square
dance with Tim, her husband and narrator of the show, calling the dance
as well as calling the dancers the Westonka Whirlers!  When he called
"teacup chain," we broke into cheers!   The performers on stage knew the
"real"  Westonka Whirlers were there! 

	

	How did they learn to square dance?

	On the back of the program, Lori listed a special thanks "To the
real Westonka Whirlers who taught us how to square dance one beautiful
fall morning.  That was a very memorable day."

	In actuality, it wasn't the Whirlers who taught them how to
dance--it was Dick Rueter.  The Whirlers provided a square so he could
work out a routine for them and have some dancers to perform his
choreography at Lorie's dance studio and then be "angels" for them.  We
had a ball!


	And now 47 audiences will see an example of square dancing that
is professionally done and looks like so much FUN!





	_______________________________________________
	Squaredancing mailing list
	Squaredancing at rbnsn.com <mailto:Squaredancing at rbnsn.com>
	http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com
<http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com>

	



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From jmaczko at san.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 07:32:30 2005
From: jmaczko at san.rr.com (Jim Maczko)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:32:30 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio
References: <73D41346804B4341A8E259260D5ADC331EF58F@SEASMAIL03.perkinscoie.root.loc>
Message-ID: <00d401c5ffe1$497d9aa0$a9f15f46@Jim>

MessageHello Jim,
      You asked about the square dance attire used on the Lorie Line Holiday Concert-- all four couples were dressed in  white, the girls had the fluffy skirts, the men were in suits and hats. They did a wonderful job on calls such as tea cup chain, grand square, alamen thar, right and left grand etc, they wanted long count calls so the host/caller wouldn't be talking very much. Of course show people catch on fast and they really made it look easy and fun. We are all hoping this will create a new interest in square dancing and all the fun we have been having.                            
     It's been nice talking to you,
               Bob & Vel Wolff
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maag, Mary Lou (Perkins Coie) 
  To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD 
  Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:03 AM
  Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio


  This sounds great, depening on what were the dancers wearing.

   - ml
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Jim Maczko
    Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:05 AM
    To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com; Dosado at yahoogroups.com; sd-callers at all8.com
    Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio


    Received information from Duane and Marilyn Olson - Presidents of the Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. of a unique promotion of Square Dancing.  We felt it worthy to make all dancers aware of this information.

     

    Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board
    ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE, INC. 
    Post Office Box 712918
    San Diego, California  92171-2918

     

    619-295-2635

     

    jmaczko at san.rr.com 


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

     

        Just wanted to pass along the information in the e-mail below.  What a unique promotion of square dancing.  As we understand it this same show will continue until Christmas at various locations around the Midwest (Mankato, MN; Denver, CO;  Rapid City, SD; Bismarck, ND; Fargo, ND; Sioux City, IA; Omaha, NE; Des Moines, IA; Milwaukee, WI) to name a few.  As far as we know this same square dance routine will be included in all of those shows.

        Duane & Marilyn Olson
        President, Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. 


----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Square dance news" <sqdance at ties2.net>
    To: <Dance.news at ties2.net>
    Cc: <Friendship.Set.to.Music at ties2.net>
    Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:54 PM
    Subject: Truly wonderful square-dancing promotion


    Thanks to Bob and Velma Wolff,  thirty-six Westonka Whirlers saw an incredible endorsement and promotion of square dancing this afternoon!  Where?  Lorie Line and her Pop Chamber Orchestra presented her 2005 Holiday Extravaganza at the State Theater in Minneapolis.  What a show!  For two-and-a-half hours, the sold-out theater clapped, cheered, and rang bells as Lorie presented her theme this year:  "My Favorite Things."

    Near the end of the first half, Lorie formed a square and they squared danced to a Christmas tune!  Yes, they actually did a square dance with Tim, her husband and narrator of the show, calling the dance as well as calling the dancers the Westonka Whirlers!  When he called "teacup chain," we broke into cheers!   The performers on stage knew the "real"  Westonka Whirlers were there!  

     

    How did they learn to square dance?

    On the back of the program, Lori listed a special thanks "To the real Westonka Whirlers who taught us how to square dance one beautiful fall morning.  That was a very memorable day."

    In actuality, it wasn't the Whirlers who taught them how to dance--it was Dick Rueter.  The Whirlers provided a square so he could work out a routine for them and have some dancers to perform his choreography at Lorie's dance studio and then be "angels" for them.  We had a ball!


    And now 47 audiences will see an example of square dancing that is professionally done and looks like so much FUN!





    _______________________________________________
    Squaredancing mailing list
    Squaredancing at rbnsn.com 
    http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com 

     

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From MLMaag at perkinscoie.com  Tue Dec 13 16:01:45 2005
From: MLMaag at perkinscoie.com (Maag, Mary Lou  (Perkins Coie))
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:01:45 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio
Message-ID: <73D41346804B4341A8E259260D5ADC331EF5A0@SEASMAIL03.perkinscoie.root.loc>

Bob and Vel, 
 
    Thank you for answering about the clothes.  Just so there is no
confusion, Jim Mackzo did not ask the question.  I asked but kept Jim's
email under mine, which undoubtedly caused confusion.  I apologize.  
 
    I hope  the demonstration at the concert has the effect you wish
for.
 
Mary Lou  Maag
dancer
Seattle
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com
[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Jim Maczko
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:33 AM
To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD
Subject: Re: RE: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful square-dancing promotio



	Hello Jim,
	      You asked about the square dance attire used on the Lorie
Line Holiday Concert-- all four couples were dressed in  white, the
girls had the fluffy skirts, the men were in suits and hats. They did a
wonderful job on calls such as tea cup chain, grand square, alamen thar,
right and left grand etc, they wanted long count calls so the
host/caller wouldn't be talking very much. Of course show people catch
on fast and they really made it look easy and fun. We are all hoping
this will create a new interest in square dancing and all the fun we
have been having.                            
	     It's been nice talking to you,
	               Bob & Vel Wolff 
________________________________


		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Maag, Mary Lou (Perkins Coie)
<mailto:MLMaag at perkinscoie.com>  
		To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD
<mailto:Squaredancing at rbnsn.com>  
		Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:03 AM
		Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Squaredancing] Truly
wonderful square-dancing promotio

		This sounds great, depening on what were the dancers
wearing.
		 
		 - ml

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com
[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Jim Maczko
			Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:05 AM
			To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com;
Dosado at yahoogroups.com; sd-callers at all8.com
			Subject: [Squaredancing] Truly wonderful
square-dancing promotio
			
			

			Received information from Duane and Marilyn
Olson - Presidents of the Square Dance Federation of Minnesota, Inc. of
a unique promotion of Square Dancing.  We felt it worthy to make all
dancers aware of this information.

			 

			Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board
			ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE,
INC. 
			Post Office Box 712918
			San Diego, California  92171-2918

			 

			619-295-2635

			 

			jmaczko at san.rr.com 

			
________________________________


			 

			    Just wanted to pass along the information in
the e-mail below.  What a unique promotion of square dancing.  As we
understand it this same show will continue until Christmas at various
locations around the Midwest (Mankato, MN; Denver, CO;  Rapid City, SD;
Bismarck, ND; Fargo, ND; Sioux City, IA; Omaha, NE; Des Moines, IA;
Milwaukee, WI) to name a few.  As far as we know this same square dance
routine will be included in all of those shows.
			
			    Duane & Marilyn Olson
			    President, Square Dance Federation of
Minnesota, Inc. 

			
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			Thanks to Bob and Velma Wolff,  thirty-six
Westonka Whirlers saw an incredible endorsement and promotion of square
dancing this afternoon!  Where?  Lorie Line and her Pop Chamber
Orchestra presented her 2005 Holiday Extravaganza at the State Theater
in Minneapolis.  What a show!  For two-and-a-half hours, the sold-out
theater clapped, cheered, and rang bells as Lorie presented her theme
this year:  "My Favorite Things."
			
			Near the end of the first half, Lorie formed a
square and they squared danced to a Christmas tune!  Yes, they actually
did a square dance with Tim, her husband and narrator of the show,
calling the dance as well as calling the dancers the Westonka Whirlers!
When he called "teacup chain," we broke into cheers!   The performers on
stage knew the "real"  Westonka Whirlers were there!  

			 

			How did they learn to square dance?
			
			On the back of the program, Lori listed a
special thanks "To the real Westonka Whirlers who taught us how to
square dance one beautiful fall morning.  That was a very memorable
day."
			
			In actuality, it wasn't the Whirlers who taught
them how to dance--it was Dick Rueter.  The Whirlers provided a square
so he could work out a routine for them and have some dancers to perform
his choreography at Lorie's dance studio and then be "angels" for them.
We had a ball!

			
			And now 47 audiences will see an example of
square dancing that is professionally done and looks like so much FUN!
			
			
			
			
			
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From M0220sr at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 07:53:58 2005
From: M0220sr at aol.com (M0220sr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:53:58 EST
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
Message-ID: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>

The last time I looked, Callerlab's styling was that dancers should have 
Hands Up in wave-related formations. Now I know a lot of dancers today are taught  
a variety of handhold styles - forearm, hands, hands up, hands down.  Some 
dancers, for one reason or another usually don't even try to take your hand (or 
just a glancing blow tap-like touch)  when changing formations and that often 
leads to broken squares and unhappy dancers, unfortunately.

Everyone has their own style of handholds in their club. If your 
caller/teacher teaches the forearm hold then your club most  likely dances with all 
forearm holds.  Fine.  Another club in the next county, city, state, whatever, may 
be taught hands up or hands only. Fine.  

Here's the question:  Let's say you go to a special dance hosted by another 
club.  You enter the door and get the door items out of the way and enter the 
hall. You meet friends and chat for a while. The dancing starts. You, being 
from Club A, are now dancing in Club B's hall.  You dance forearm hold; Club B 
dances with "hands up" hold in wave-related formations.  Shouldn't you, the 
"visiting" dancer,  adapt to the way Club B dances when the caller calls "Swing 
Thru" or any type of movement to related to waves?  Or, just because your club 
swings thru using forearms do you insist that Club B dancers adapt to your 
style of dancing?

The club I'm in dances "hands up".  But when we go to festivals, conventions, 
etc., we always adapt to the style of dancing the host club does.  If there 
is ever a tip where four of our couples dance together then we dance hands up 
as normal. But we don't force our style of dancing on other dancers just 
because that is the way WE do it. 

So I would be interested in knowing how you dance when visiting a club that 
dances with handholds different from what you do in your home club. 

I'd actually also like to know what you think of visiting dancers who come 
into your club and "force" your arm into another position to adapt to THEIR 
style of handhold in wave-related formations.

Richard



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From cmbaker at tiac.net  Wed Dec 21 09:36:18 2005
From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
In-Reply-To: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>
References: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>
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On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:53 AM, M0220sr at aol.com wrote:

>  So I would be interested in knowing how you dance when visiting a 
> club that dances with handholds different from what you do in your 
> home club.

In general, I adapt to their handholds.  It may take me a few calls to 
realize that is what is happening.

>  I'd actually also like to know what you think of visiting dancers who 
> come into your club and "force" your arm into another position to 
> adapt to THEIR style of handhold in wave-related formations.

I am not super happy with these inflexible dancers.  However, I give 
them the benefit of the doubt and adjust to what is happening around 
me.  Perhaps they don't know what is happening, or perhaps they don't 
know how to dance a different styling.  Whatever.

One situation you didn't mention is styling at National Conventions 
where dancers from many parts of the world come together and there may 
not be a strong local styling.  Again, I kinda do what the square seems 
to "want", but I may interact with individual dancers in a specifically 
different way.

--
Clark Baker, Belmont, MA
cmbaker at tiac.net




From ljknews at mac.com  Wed Dec 21 10:22:54 2005
From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:22:54 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
In-Reply-To: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>
References: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f05bfcf20934886@[192.168.1.254]>

At 7:53 AM -0500 12/21/05, M0220sr at aol.com wrote:

> The last time I looked, Callerlab's styling was that dancers should have
>Hands Up in wave-related formations. Now I know a lot of dancers today are
>taught  a variety of handhold styles - forearm, hands, hands up, hands
>down.  Some dancers, for one reason or another usually don't even try to
>take your hand (or just a glancing blow tap-like touch)  when changing
>formations and that often leads to broken squares and unhappy dancers,
>unfortunately.

Let me preface this by saying I have never even _seen_ a "palm star".

> Everyone has their own style of handholds in their club. If your
>caller/teacher teaches the forearm hold then your club most  likely dances
>with all forearm holds.  Fine.  Another club in the next county, city,
>state, whatever, may be taught hands up or hands only. Fine. 

Here is another.  At Tech Squares the teacher rigorously goes through
the official Callerlab explanation of a Hands Up "Touch A Quarter"
(briefly but rigorously).  But all the angels dance Hands Down, so
3 seconds after the explanation the new dancers have started on a
career of Hands Down dancing.

> Here's the question:  Let's say you go to a special dance hosted by
>another club.  You enter the door and get the door items out of the way
>and enter the hall. You meet friends and chat for a while. The dancing
>starts. You, being from Club A, are now dancing in Club B's hall.  You
>dance forearm hold; Club B dances with "hands up" hold in wave-related
>formations.  Shouldn't you, the "visiting" dancer,  adapt to the way Club

I have actually also never been at a dance where a wave retains "Hands
Up".  It is basically used for Touch A Quarter around Boston.

>B dances when the caller calls "Swing Thru" or any type of movement to
>related to waves?  Or, just because your club swings thru using forearms
>do you insist that Club B dancers adapt to your style of dancing?
>
> The club I'm in dances "hands up".  But when we go to festivals,
>conventions, etc., we always adapt to the style of dancing the host club
>does.  If there is ever a tip where four of our couples dance together
>then we dance hands up as normal. But we don't force our style of dancing
>on other dancers just because that is the way WE do it.
>
> So I would be interested in knowing how you dance when visiting a club
>that dances with handholds different from what you do in your home club.

When I Touch a Quarter, I generally adapt to what the other dancer is
doing, but this is not really uniform by what club they are from.  Right
now I am trying to get straight in my head the different flourishes that
particular clubs use.  The prime difference is between Tech Squares and
Boston Uncommons.  (Boston Uncommons uses the typical gay club flourishes,
colored a bit by hanging out with Tech Squares, and with a few of their
own thrown in by individual dancers.

So my harder question on this subject is -- which flourish should I use
on Weave the Ring when dancing at Border City Squares and encountering
a dancer whom I know to be a member of both Tech Squares and Boston
Uncommons ?   :-)

> I'd actually also like to know what you think of visiting dancers who
>come into your club and "force" your arm into another position to adapt to
>THEIR style of handhold in wave-related formations.

I don't run into that much.  Rigidity is much more likely to be on the
issue of palm-up/palm-down in a line or circle.  I tend to believe in
the "thumbs to the right" approach (otherwise how could same sexed do
"Single Circle to an Ocean Wave"?) but I will take any hand I can get.
When I am commenting to new dancers, I tend to say it is much more
important to be in the right place on the dance floor, facing the right
direction, than to have a particular handhold.  I have seen an Allamande
Thar make it 3/4 around with a few of the centers hands just pointing
vaguely to the center trying to sort out the pack saddle grip.  If they
had only gotten the grip right at the start...the square would be broken
down !
-- 
Larry Kilgallen



From ljknews at mac.com  Wed Dec 21 10:25:55 2005
From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
In-Reply-To: <652eb9adfec264fec94da6d1ab6cd620@tiac.net>
References: <24b.41b36c3.30daaa66@aol.com>
	<652eb9adfec264fec94da6d1ab6cd620@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <p05200f06bfcf23f2133a@[192.168.1.254]>

At 9:36 AM -0500 12/21/05, Clark Baker wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:53 AM, M0220sr at aol.com wrote:
> 
>>  So I would be interested in knowing how you dance when visiting a 
>> club that dances with handholds different from what you do in your 
>> home club.
> 
> In general, I adapt to their handholds.  It may take me a few calls to 
> realize that is what is happening.
> 
>>  I'd actually also like to know what you think of visiting dancers who 
>> come into your club and "force" your arm into another position to 
>> adapt to THEIR style of handhold in wave-related formations.
> 
> I am not super happy with these inflexible dancers.  However, I give 
> them the benefit of the doubt and adjust to what is happening around 
> me.  Perhaps they don't know what is happening, or perhaps they don't 
> know how to dance a different styling.

Clark points out another factor - dancer experience.  Even if I think
I am "right", the other dancer might have a harder time adapting than
I would.  (In cases where I would have a harder time adapting, I am
probably so out-of-it that I don't even know there is any adapting
underway.)
-- 
Larry Kilgallen



From brucemorgan at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 10:45:16 2005
From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:45:16 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
In-Reply-To: <p05200f06bfcf23f2133a@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <000701c60645$8aa929d0$6501a8c0@Bruce>

I adapt to wherever I am.  If I am visiting someplace, I adapt to however
they dance.  If they are visiting us and show that they dance differently
that we normally do I still adapt to them.  

But!!!!

A large number of our club members never dance anyplace but our club.  They
really don't understand that there are different ways to dance.  No matter
who is visiting or if they, for some reason, visit another area where that
area dances differently they will not adapt because they don't know how.  

But I will dance both hands up and forearm hold within the same square if we
have dancers from different areas in the same square.  


Bruce Morgan


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of ljknews
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:26 AM
To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD
Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....

At 9:36 AM -0500 12/21/05, Clark Baker wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:53 AM, M0220sr at aol.com wrote:
> 
>>  So I would be interested in knowing how you dance when visiting a 
>> club that dances with handholds different from what you do in your 
>> home club.
> 
> In general, I adapt to their handholds.  It may take me a few calls to 
> realize that is what is happening.
> 
>>  I'd actually also like to know what you think of visiting dancers who 
>> come into your club and "force" your arm into another position to 
>> adapt to THEIR style of handhold in wave-related formations.
> 
> I am not super happy with these inflexible dancers.  However, I give 
> them the benefit of the doubt and adjust to what is happening around 
> me.  Perhaps they don't know what is happening, or perhaps they don't 
> know how to dance a different styling.

Clark points out another factor - dancer experience.  Even if I think
I am "right", the other dancer might have a harder time adapting than
I would.  (In cases where I would have a harder time adapting, I am
probably so out-of-it that I don't even know there is any adapting
underway.)
-- 
Larry Kilgallen

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From lars-erik.morell at ericsson.com  Wed Dec 21 11:30:19 2005
From: lars-erik.morell at ericsson.com (Lars Erik Morell (AL/EAB))
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:30:19 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
Message-ID: <D4ADC896EC3F5948A9D3899986CEB9DE01309956@esealmw115.eemea.ericsson.se>

I once was at a caller clinic held by Dave Wilson in Barmstedt Germany.
I was dancing in Dave's demo square with some US callers and some German
and Danish callers. There were three palms up (aka chicken wings), two
downs (aka penguin), one forearm, one horizontal with handhold and me.
Of course nobody wanted to change but me. So having a me/down/up/forearm
wave was interesting when the call was Swing Thru.
I had to Arm Turn Right down. Take forearm with left. And Arm Turn left
with forearm and take handhold up with right. Etc

Lars Erik Morell  




From cmbaker at tiac.net  Wed Dec 21 16:41:01 2005
From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:41:01 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] When in Rome.....
In-Reply-To: <D4ADC896EC3F5948A9D3899986CEB9DE01309956@esealmw115.eemea.ericsson.se>
References: <D4ADC896EC3F5948A9D3899986CEB9DE01309956@esealmw115.eemea.ericsson.se>
Message-ID: <ae2d95b4f97283340fcedd36c4036ab6@tiac.net>


On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Lars Erik Morell ((AL/EAB)) wrote:

> I once was at a caller clinic held by Dave Wilson in Barmstedt Germany.
> I was dancing in Dave's demo square with some US callers and some 
> German
> and Danish callers. There were three palms up (aka chicken wings), two
> downs (aka penguin), one forearm, one horizontal with handhold and me.
> Of course nobody wanted to change but me. So having a 
> me/down/up/forearm
> wave was interesting when the call was Swing Thru.
> I had to Arm Turn Right down. Take forearm with left. And Arm Turn left
> with forearm and take handhold up with right. Etc

One might wish that someone, perhaps Callerlab, just set some standards 
and made everyone stick to them.  In a sense Callerlab's styling 
committee did this back in the 1970's.  My understanding is that it 
involved a lot of after midnight dancing and trying each of the 
suggestions.  The styling committee wrote up a recommended styling.  
However, New England didn't change, and the A&C communities do their 
own thing.

Here is an old piece of e-mail on the subject that I sent on this list 
in 1997...

Date:  Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Clark Baker <cmb>
To: Multiple recipients of <squaredancing at mail.eclipse.net>
Subject:  Up or Down (was Newbie etiquette question)

The periodic hands up or hands down discussion has returned.  Dick 
reported on
a message from a Callerlab member indicating that Callerlab voted a 
while back
that it recommends (not dictates) MS to A2 is hands up and Challenge is 
hands
down.

My memory and current understanding differs.

I have been a Callerlab member since ~1980 and have attended all 
meetings
except one.  My recollection is that the styling committee documented 
"hands
up" and that is what was passed.  At the time, most of the country was 
dancing
hands up except for New England, Challenge dancers, and some Advanced 
dancers.
Many years later, New England was still dancing "hands down" and 
another motion
was passed which allowed for "regional styling differences".  This 
allowed New
England (and other areas which don't follow all of the "official" 
styling) to
not be in violation of the rules.

To summarize, I believe that Callerlab has passed two motions related to
styling.  The first was the styling documents with which we are all 
familiar.
The second was to allow reagional styling differences.  This is 
different from
what Dick's Callerlab member told him and he told us.

---------------------------------

My personal comments on "hands up" vs. "hands down".

1) It isn't up to the individual dancer to decide which one they want 
to use.
We are a group activity and the 8 dancers in the square should be using 
the
same handholds.

2) There are more than "hands up" and "hands down" handholds.  Hands 
down
sometimes has a forearm grip and sometimes has a hand grip.  The hands 
up that
we use is different from the hands up that contra dancers use.

3) The "hands up" or "hands down" handhold is only used on certain 
calls or in
certain formations.  The handgrip in the center of an Allemande Thar is 
usually
a packsaddle.  This is danced the same by the "hands up" and "hands 
down"
groups.

4) The call Touch 1/4 was one of the few published with explicit 
styling.  It
said that the touch action was to be done hands up.  Even in New 
England (a
hands down area), Touch 1/4 is often danced hands up.  I believe this 
is left
over from when it was first taught.

5) When my club has out of town visitors, I often change my styling to
accommodate them for a while until they figure out how we dance and 
adapt to
it.  It doesn't take long because one receives several hints per call.

6) A special workshop was held at Callerlab two or three years ago which
discussed, among other things, handholds.  It attempted to discover the
benefits and drawbacks of each.  I don't know if a report was ever 
published.
Perhaps some of the participants will share their recollections.  One 
thing I
remember is that hands up tends to promote more eye contact because 
your eye is
often looking at where your hands are.  Maybe that is why Challenge 
dancers are
perceived to be robots marching around and never looking at anyone.

7) At some level, every decision Callerlab makes is a recommendation 
(vs. a law
or a mandate or a rule).  It is remarkable how well some of its 
recommendations
have been followed in the past (the identification of dance programs, 
and the
strict adherence to the calls on each).

8) I don't believe we can change the existing hands up or hands down 
styling.
I don't believe that square dancing will be better if we did, or even 
if we
tried.  Spend your energies elsewhere.

--
Clark Baker, Belmont, MA
cmbaker at tiac.net